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  1. 09 Dec '09 19:19
    I can see how stalemate makes the game more interesting as you have to watch out for clever stalemating combinations when you are winning. You can’t let your guard down. So I see its great entertainment value and how it is a neat resource for desperate players. However, it also seems totally ridiculous that the side that can’t move gets a draw. But the rules say you have to attack the King in such a way that he can’t escape to win (checkmate). To make stalemate a loss for the side that can’t move means you could win both by checkmate and stalemate and that seems awkward.

    Does stalemate = draw seem illogical to anybody here? By the way, post any of your brilliant stalemating combinations if you’d like.
  2. 09 Dec '09 19:31
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  4. 09 Dec '09 19:37


    Stalemate !!!

    Sam Loyd
  5. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    09 Dec '09 20:09
    Originally posted by homedepotov
    I can see how stalemate makes the game more interesting as you have to watch out for clever stalemating combinations when you are winning. You can’t let your guard down. So I see its great entertainment value and how it is a neat resource for desperate players. However, it also seems totally ridiculous that the side that can’t move gets a draw. But the r ...[text shortened]... to anybody here? By the way, post any of your brilliant stalemating combinations if you’d like.
    Well, here are some positions where stalemate = win seems illogical, at least to me:


    The white king is not the slightest bit unsafe here - just a victim of over-crowding.


    Here, with stalemate = win, the winner is whoever moved last! It seems funny to award a win to one side when BOTH sides are equally lacking in offensive potential.
  6. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    09 Dec '09 20:16
    A failed stalemate attempt:

  7. 09 Dec '09 20:36
    Thanks, I've never been more convinced that stalemate should remain a draw.

    The side with the greater material can be penalized by it if it is counted a win.
  8. 09 Dec '09 20:46 / 1 edit
    in chinese chess stalemate is not always a draw, but the rules are quite complicated as far as I know
  9. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    09 Dec '09 20:58
    Originally posted by homedepotov
    Thanks, I've never been more convinced that stalemate should remain a draw.

    The side with the greater material can be penalized by it if it is counted a win.
    The arguments from a practical perspective are even stronger. Chess theory would change very radically without stalemate. It would be like a different game. Being up by one pawn would be a much much larger advantage than it is now.

    All these positions that are theoretical draws now would become wins for the stronger side:







    The biggest impact would be King and pawn vs. King - no more need to have the opposition!
  10. 10 Dec '09 00:59
    From Wikipedia:

    "The outcome of a stalemate was standardized as a draw in the 19th century. Before this standardization, its treatment varied widely, including being deemed a win for the stalemating player, a half-win for that player, or a loss for that player; not being permitted; and resulting in the stalemated player missing a turn."

    Half-win?
  11. 10 Dec '09 18:03
    Originally posted by homedepotov
    Half-win?
    i presume in tournament play 2 points for a win they awarded one point instead of 2 for the 'half win' with the opponent getting nothing. just a guess though.
  12. 10 Dec '09 21:13
    Originally posted by trev33
    i presume in tournament play 2 points for a win they awarded one point instead of 2 for the 'half win' with the opponent getting nothing. just a guess though.
    Good guess.
  13. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    11 Dec '09 19:02

    White to play.
  14. 13 Dec '09 00:08
    Nobody solved this yet? Come on, it's easy...
    NOT
  15. 13 Dec '09 08:11
    Originally posted by heinzkat
    Nobody solved this yet? Come on, it's easy... [hidden]NOT[/hidden]
    It's easy once you have seen the beautiful forced draw in this position with black on the move