16 Jan 06
Hi,
Will someone please unequivically indicate what is the standard as far as notation for games goes. It seems there are three types, namely algebraic, descriptive and coordinate.
I have borrowed Staunton's Handbook (which was apparently seminal 100 years ago), but his notation seems dated now - I think he uses descriptive, eg. P-K4 etc.
What I find most irksome is when the notation gives a destination square, but no indiaction of which piece moves!?
Thanks in advance...
Russ.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by hardyrulesAlgebraic.
Hi,
Will someone please unequivically indicate what is the standard as far as notation for games goes. It seems there are three types, namely algebraic, descriptive and coordinate.
I have borrowed Staunton's Handbook (which was apparently seminal 100 years ago), but his notation seems dated now - I think he uses descriptive, eg. P-K4 etc.
What ...[text shortened]... a destination square, but no indiaction of which piece moves!?
Thanks in advance...
Russ.
16 Jan 06
Originally posted by hardyrules1. e4 is a pawn move. In the appendix to Staunton's book, you'll find an explanation of what he calls the "notation adopted by Alexandre Jaenisch." That system is the precursor to the universal system in use today. Staunton's own cumbersome "1. P. to K's 4th" became more streamlined as the system known as descriptive, which was popular in Britain and the United States for much of the twentieth century.
What I find most irksome is when the notation gives a destination square, but no indiaction of which piece moves!?
17 Jan 06
Originally posted by WulebgrYes, descriptive held sway for most of the 20th century and algebraic become more and more popular as chess became popularized, until it is now the "standard" notation in use today. Coordinate was used mainly in correspondence chess, especially among players of differing languages, and, with the advent of the internet, is becoming obsolete.
1. e4 is a pawn move. In the appendix to Staunton's book, you'll find an explanation of what he calls the "notation adopted by Alexandre Jaenisch." That system is the precursor to the universal system in use today. Staunton's own cumbersome "1. P. to K's 4th" became more streamlined as the system known as descriptive, which was popular in Britain and the United States for much of the twentieth century.
17 Jan 06
Originally posted by hardyrulesDescriptive always tells which piece is doing the moving, even a pawn.
What I find most irksome is when the notation gives a destination square, but no indiaction of which piece moves!?
Thanks in advance...
Russ.
When you see a move that is a destination square only, that is algebraic, and represents a pawn move, such as e4. Long Algebraic keeps the conventions of regular Algebraic, except the from square is also mentioned, such as e2e4, or Ng1f3.
The main benefit of Algebraic is that each rank is numbered with only one number, instead of two in descriptive, a different one for each side.
17 Jan 06
Originally posted by SuzianneI believe the USCF has rules that say you must use algebraic notation.
Descriptive always tells which piece is doing the moving, even a pawn.
When you see a move that is a destination square only, that is algebraic, and represents a pawn move, such as e4. Long Algebraic keeps the conventions of regular Algebraic, except the from square is also mentioned, such as e2e4, or Ng1f3.
The main benefit of Algebraic is that each ...[text shortened]... is numbered with only one number, instead of two in descriptive, a different one for each side.
19 Jan 06
Originally posted by XanthosNZMy USCF Official Rules of Chess book, Article 11.1 says "In the course of play, each player is required to record the game....as clearly and legibly as possible in the algebraic notaion....." This is the 4th ed, effective 1/1/94. Did they change it?
[b]Wrong. USCF allows both algebraic and descriptive.....
19 Jan 06
Originally posted by masscatI don't have the rulebook I just went off the website which states that two types of notation are common in the US (descriptive and algebraic) and gives a guide to both. I couldn't find the rulebook on their site so I couldn't be sure.
My USCF Official Rules of Chess book, Article 11.1 says "In the course of play, each player is required to record the game....as clearly and legibly as possible in the algebraic notaion....." This is the 4th ed, effective 1/1/94. Did they change it?
19 Jan 06
Originally posted by masscatThe 5th edition came out a few years ago (2003). Rule 15A states, in part, "Algebraic notation is standard, but descriptive or computer notation is permitted."
My USCF Official Rules of Chess book, Article 11.1 says "In the course of play, each player is required to record the game....as clearly and legibly as possible in the algebraic notaion....." This is the 4th ed, effective 1/1/94. Did they change it?