[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2004.12.7"]
[White "Alopinto"]
[Black "Nisp"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2190"]
[BlackElo "2147"]
[TimeControl "5/0"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e6 2. d2-d4 d7-d5 3. Nb1-c3 Bf8-b4 4. e4-e5 c7-c5 5. a2-a3 Bb4xc3 6.
b2xc3 Ng8-e7 7. Qd1-g4 O-O 8. Ng1-f3 f7-f5 9. e5xf6 Rf8xf6 10. Bc1-g5 e6-e5 11.
Qg4-h4 Rf6-e6 12. Nf3xe5 Nb8-c6 13. Bf1-d3 h7-h6 14. O-O Nc6xe5 15. d4xe5 h6xg5
16. Qh4-h7 Kg8-f8 17. Qh7-h8 Ne7-g8 18. Bd3-h7 Kf8-f7 19. f2-f4 Bc8-d7 20.
f4xg5 Kf7-e7 21. Qh8xg7 1-0
The novelty and first mistake is 10. ... e5 (Book is 10. ... Qa5 or 10. ... Nd7). However white should punish it with 11. Qg3. After 11. Qh4 Qa5 black is slightly ahead. However black instead plays 11. ... Re6 and this time white finds the correct move 12. Nxe5. At this point Fritz recommends 12. ... cxd4 which I think is a mistake positionally as it undoubles white's pawns and weakens black's centre.
However the move played is probably not the correct alternative. Instead of 14. 0-0 is a mistake, better is 14. Bxe7. 15. Bxe7 is better than the move played.
16. ... Kf7 seems to keep a slight advantage for black whereas 16. ... Kf8 loses. White finds the combination and black harms his cause further with 19. ... Bd7 missing the danger. It is possible for black to fight on in a losing position with 20. ... Rf6 but the game has already been decided.
Just a quick glance over the game with Fritz.
I play against the French very tactically. For example Game 790786.
PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER THANK YOU VERY MUCH HAVE A NICE HOLIDAY.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungJust a question: Why posting a game that is in progress instead of waiting until it is over?
I play against the French very tactically. For example Game 790786.
PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER THANK YOU VERY MUCH HAVE A NICE HOLIDAY.
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2004.12.12"]
[Round "1"]
[White "AThousandYoung"]
[Black "The Slow Pawn"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1557"]
[BlackElo "1575"]
[Annotator "Fritz 8 (30s)"]
[PlyCount "61"]
{C02: French: Advance Variation} 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bd3
Bd7 6. Qe2N?? (6. O-O Qb6 (6... Rc8 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. a3 Nge7 9. b4 Bb6 10. Nbd2 Ng6 11. Bxg6 hxg6 12. c4 g5 13. cxd5 exd5 14. Nb3 g4 15. Ng5 Rh5 16. e6 Bxe6 17. Nxe6 fxe6 18. Qxg4 Rf5 19. Qg6+ Kd7 20. Qxg7+ Qe7 21. Qxe7+ {Stripunsky,A-Milicevic,G/Toronto 1998/CBM 65 ext/1-0 (32)}) (6... c4 7. Be2 f6 8. Re1 fxe5 9. dxe5 Bc5 10. Bf4 Qb6 11. Bg3 Nh6 12. Nc3 Ne7 13. Qd2 Nef5 14. Nd1 Nxg3 15. hxg3 Ng4 16. Bf1 O-O 17. Re2 Rf5 18. b3 cxb3 19. axb3 Bb5 20. c4 dxc4 21. Re4 {Dekker,J-Skorna,U/Les Dicqs 2002/EXT 2003/0-1}) (6... Nxd4 7. Nxd4 cxd4 8. a3 f6 9. f4 Qc7 10. Qh5+ Kd8 11. b4 Be8 12. Qg4 f5 13. Qg3 Nh6 14. Bb2 Qb6 15. h3 a5 16. Qf2 axb4 17. Bxd4 Qc6 18. Nd2 Rxa3 19. Nb3 Ke7 20. Na5 Qc8 21. Rxa3 {Garcia Cubero,I-Alvarado Rodriguez,D/Aviles 2002/EXT 2003/1-0 (67)}) 7. Re1 cxd4 8. a3 a5 9. Ng5 g6 10. Qf3 Nd8 11. a4 Ne7 12. Qf6 Rg8 13. Nxh7 Bg7 14. Qxg7 {1-0 Kogan,A-Plahuta,D/Ljubljana 1998/EXT 99}) 6... cxd4?? (6... c4+=2 7. Bxc4 dxc4 8. Qxc4 Nb4-+) 7. O-O Nge7 8. Ng5 (8. c3!?=) 8... Ng6=+ 9. f4 Qb6 10. c3? (Better is 10. a3=+) 10... dxc3+(-+) 11. Kh1 cxb2 12. Bxb2 Nd4 (12... Nb4 13. Bxg6 hxg6 14. Qd2-+) 13. Bxd4? (Better is 13. Qd2!? Bc5 14. Nc3) 13... Qxd4-+ 14. Nd2 Nxf4 15. Qf3 ( 15. Qg4 f5 (15... Qxd3?! 16. Qxf4 Qf5 17. Qe3-+) 16. Bxf5 exf5 (16... Qxe5 17. Rae1 h5 18. Qxf4 Qxf4 19. Rxf4+-) 17. Qxf4 Qxf4 18. Rxf4 h6-+) 15... Nxd3 (15... Qxd3 16. Qxf4 Qf5 17. Qh4 Qxe5 18. Nxf7 Qxa1 19. Rxa1 Kxf7 20. Qh5+ Ke7 21. Nf3) 16. Qxf7+ Kd8 17. Ndf3 (17. Qf3 Nxe5 18. Qg3-+) 17... Qf4 (Better is 17... Nf2+ 18. Kg1 Nh3+ 19. Kh1 Nxg5 20. Qxf8+ Rxf8 21. Nxd4 Rxf1+ 22. Rxf1 Rc8-+) 18. Nxe6+ Bxe6 19. Qxe6 Nb4 (19... Qc4 20. Ng5 Bb4) 20. a3 (20. Nd4 Qxd4 21. Rxf8+ Rxf8 22. Qd6+ Ke8 23. Qe6+ Kd8 24. Qd6+ Ke8 25. Qe6+ Kd8=) 20... Nc6 (Better is 20... Qh6!? 21. Qxh6 gxh6 22. axb4 Bxb4=+) 21. Qxd5+ Ke8?? (Better is 21... Kc7 22. Rac1 Bxa3 23. Qa5+ Kb8 24. Qxa3 Qb4±😉 22. Ng5+- Qxg5 {Theme: Deflection from f7} 23. Qf7+ Kd8 24. Rad1+ Kc8 25. Qd7+ Kb8 26. Rxf8+ Rxf8 {Decoy to f8} 27. Qd6+ {Theme: Double Attack} Kc8 28. Qxf8+ Nd8 (28... Kc7 29. Qd6+ Kc8+-) 29. e6 b6 30. e7 Kc7 31. e8=Q (31. e8=Q Kb8 32. Rxd8+ Kb7 33. Qe4+ Ka6 34. Qa4+ Qa5 35. Qf1+ Kb7 36. Qd7# ) (31. exd8=Q+?! Rxd8 (31... Qxd8?? 32. Qxg7+ Kc6 33. Qh6+ Kc7 34. Qxh7+ Kc6 35. Qc2+ Kb7 36. Rxd8 Rxd8 37. g4 +-) 32. Qf7+ Kb8 =+) (31. exd8=R?! Rxd8 32. Qf7+ Kb8 =+) 1-0
I give you the mess that is a Fritz analysis output. If anyone wants it in pgn form (so it's easy to import to a viewer) PM me.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungMCO? I don't believe you...
That is a painful block of text.
6. Qe2?? - I got this out of MCO. How can it be ?? (I guess it's possible MCO says to castle first, but does it matter?)
[Event "Clan"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2004.11.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "AThousandYoung"]
[Black "The Slow Pawn"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "790786"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.Nf3
A valid move... I can see that you have been reading your Nimzowitsch because he used to like that type of deal: Blocking pawn chains with pieces.
4...Nc6
( 4...cxd4 is not that great... )
5.Bd3 Bd7 6.Qe2??
What for? Don't you lose a piece after Black does 6...c4? (Please don't tell me that you get two pawns for the piece...) Why move the queen like that when there are more natural moves like 6.c3 (supporting the pawn chain) 6.dxc5 (executing the idea of blcking pawn the pawn chain with pieces) I honestly fail to see the point of this move...
6...cxd4?
Why is it that some French players ignore the possibility of pushing 6...c4 with Black? Why not? I mean, it wins a piece for two pawns and after simply developing pieces he will get the advantage...
7.O-O Nge7?
WRONG! Black has to think about destroying White's small center by doing 7...f6 right away! The point is to advance the center later (i.e., ...e5)
8.Ng5
Of course... What did I say about 7...f6? Oh yes? That it prevents this maneouvre by White...
8...Ng6 9.f4
All this could have been averted earlier...
9...Qb6 10.c3?!
Is White sacrificing or blundering a pawn? Or is this some sophisticated meneouver to place a knight at d4? I woud say "you are bluffing" and take the pawn...
10...dxc3+ 11.Kh1 cxb2 12.Bxb2 Nd4 13.Bxd4 Qxd4 14.Nd2
An ideal position for White...
14...Nxf4?
This is not streetwise... Opening a file by taking a pawn? Now White is not bluffing...
15.Qf3 Nxd3 16.Qxf7+ Kd8 17.Ndf3 Qf4 18.Nxe6+ Bxe6 19.Qxe6 Nb4 20.a3 Nc6 21.Qxd5+ Ke8
22.Ng5 Qxg5 23.Qf7+ Kd8 24.Rad1+ Kc8 25.Qd7+ Kb8 26.Rxf8+ Rxf8 27.Qd6+ Kc8 28.Qxf8+ Nd8 29.e6 b6 30.e7 Kc7 31.e8=Q 1-0
Alopinto -
I just looked at the game real quick, and it looks like you're right. I will look at it again when I am using a computer that doesn't have staff watching over my shoulder (I can't play games here technically), but I think I might have mangled the opening I got from MCO. Maybe Black is supposed to take the dP before I develop the B or something.
EDIT -
9...Qb6 10.c3?!
It's a gambit for quick development. I don't know if it's sound, but it's worked ok for me in the past.
WRONG! Black has to think about destroying White's small center by doing 7...f6 right away! The point is to advance the center later (i.e., ...e5)
The theme behind this line is to keep control of the d5 P at all costs with pieces while developing and attacking the Kingside as fast as possible. I keep so much stuff on that dP that Black never gets that square. If Black takes with the fP then I have an awesome central outpost for my pieces.
Originally posted by AThousandYoung"The theme behind this line is to keep control of the d5 P at all costs with pieces while developing and attacking the Kingside as fast as possible." (I believe you meant d4)
Alopinto -
I just looked at the game real quick, and it looks like you're right. I will look at it again when I am using a computer that doesn't have staff watching over my shoulder (I can't play games here technically), but I think I might have mangled the opening I got from MCO. Maybe Black is supposed to take the dP before I develop ...[text shortened]... s that square. If Black takes with the fP then I have an awesome central outpost for my pieces.
Yes, precisely that's why Black should play 7...f6: To eliminate one of the plugs (i.e., e5 and d4). One thing is allowing White to have absolute control over d4 (which can't be contested anyway) but allowing White to keep d4 and e5 is just too much! The maneouver Ne7-g6 wasted precious time for Black and I still believe that instead of 7...Ne7, 7...f6 was right... From that point Black has no counterplay.
Originally posted by AlopintoSorry, I meant e5, not d4 or d5.
"The theme behind this line is to keep control of the d5 P at all costs with pieces while developing and attacking the Kingside as fast as possible." (I believe you meant d4)
Yes, precisely that's why Black should play 7...f6: To eliminate one of the plugs (i.e., e5 and d4). One thing is allowing White to have absolute control over d4 (which can't ...[text shortened]... believe that instead of 7...Ne7, 7...f6 was right... From that point Black has no counterplay.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungReally? After 7...f6 what were you planing to play if you actually considered that move during the game? Seriously, the point e5 can't be maintained by White after 7...f6. Instead, White placing a piece at d4 is thematical of the French or blocking the d4 point...
Sorry, I meant e5, not d4 or d5.