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  1. 09 Jun '10 07:47
    Rather than go out of topic on another post, I myself did an experiment on playchess and task-switched many many times during rated games. Not once did I receive a warning as some have claimed on the forum. The standard of my chess was very poor and I almost fell into simple one-liners.

    I would guess for people flagged for cheating on playchess it is because they actually cheated not for mere task-switching. The process is something like this I would guess :-

    a) user is task-switching
    b) moves made analysed internally by CB and checked
    c) user starts up a chess engine so they can see frtitz32.exe is running along side the playchess thing.
    d) User makes very good moves.
    e) User flagged for cheating, rating deleted and public announcement.
    f) User comes to forum and claims they were only using Word or Internet explorer and you should never go to playchess.

    If Chess Cube just do a) and cannot see whether c) or d) are also true in real time then their system is bogus.
  2. 09 Jun '10 11:58
    There again it could be a myth started by the site to scare off
    any would be cheats.

    A bit like the old TV detector vans which use to drive about.

    They were infact empty but when one appeared in your
    neighbourhood people flocked to the Post Office to get a licence.
  3. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    09 Jun '10 13:20
    it's been a few years, but I never got any notifications on playchess myself, blitzing while fritz was analysing my rhp game. but other people say they got. so I don't know... I've been quite skeptical myself about the existence of such an obviously useless way to detect cheaters. there are just way more obvious legit reasons for task switching compared to abuse.
  4. 10 Jun '10 17:36 / 1 edit
    Speaking out of experience, I have gotten a warning for task switcher thousands of times in a game. Chatting with a friend in a pop-up window seems to do the trick. Perhaps you haven't switched quite enough, or there are other factors?

    EDIT: I still find playchess a very good place to play chess on... Aftering e-mailing an admin, they corrected the mistake, and now I no longer chat with friends while playing chess.
  5. 10 Jun '10 19:50
    Originally posted by range blasts
    I no longer chat with friends while playing chess.
    Chatting with friends should be okay.

    Unless you are friends with Gary Kasparov, of course
  6. 10 Jun '10 23:11
    Originally posted by Tiwaking
    Chatting with friends should be okay.

    Unless you are friends with Gary Kasparov, of course
    Not if you switch screens thousands of times
  7. 14 Jun '10 00:03
    On ICC you can switch tasks as many times as you wish. On playchess, two years ago (when I last visted), more than 5 task switches in a game counted as cheating. Maybe they've changed in the meantime, I don't know and I don't care...
  8. 15 Jun '10 08:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by cotoi
    On ICC you can switch tasks as many times as you wish. On playchess, two years ago (when I last visted), more than 5 task switches in a game counted as cheating. Maybe they've changed in the meantime, I don't know and I don't care...
    Your experience matches statement f) in the first post. Playchess are more advanced than ICC and monitor the actual games not just task-switching.
  9. 15 Jun '10 12:42
    My experience matches a discussion I had with an admin of the playchess server who confirmed that more than 5 task switches in a game is cheating. But who knows, maybe you know better than him. It's also strange on playchess that all the players who have their rating reset for cheating are below 2000. It's amazing to see how 1300-1400 rated guys are caught cheating and nobody above 2000 (although there are many).
  10. 16 Jun '10 08:28
    Originally posted by cotoi
    My experience matches a discussion I had with an admin of the playchess server who confirmed that more than 5 task switches in a game is cheating. But who knows, maybe you know better than him. It's also strange on playchess that all the players who have their rating reset for cheating are below 2000. It's amazing to see how 1300-1400 rated guys are caught cheating and nobody above 2000 (although there are many).
    This fictitious "admin" has lied to you because I task-switched many, many times. Chessbase do not reveal their anti-cheat mechanisms (in writing on the help pages) and this "admin" has then breached this rule.

    Perhaps you can show us this email communication from a chessbase address and then I can tell Chessbase that an "admin" has breached Chessbase rules. I would also like to know from chessbase why I task-switched nearly 100 times per game and didn't receive any warning.

    Playchess has extensive algorithms to prevent cheating anyway..... http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3348
  11. 16 Jun '10 08:36
    Interesting how this guy http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166728428 when asked to contact chessbase did not bother replying. He alleges that he was flagged for cheating because of using google video.
  12. 16 Jun '10 22:32
    As I said, it happened two years ago. I've never been again to chessbase and I have no reason to do it soon, as that experience was bad enough. The admin of chessbase I contacted and who told me about the 5 times task switching was named Helger Liske or something like that (I found him on the server, he had the label sysop). As for the email, I'm sorry, I don't keep unimportant messages for two years.

    Besides, I don't want to prove anything. I am not interested in playing again on chessbase since there is a better site. With less cheaters and without stupid cheating detection algorithms like counting task switches.
  13. 16 Jun '10 22:33
    Originally posted by enrico20
    Interesting how this guy http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166728428 when asked to contact chessbase did not bother replying. He alleges that he was flagged for cheating because of using google video.
    You are insane! You put links here to facts that happened four years ago?? What do you want to prove with that?
  14. 17 Jun '10 02:12
    Playchess sysop Holger Lieske: (A little more than halfway down the page)

    http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2420

    Nothing "fictitious" about this guy! I got along with him fairly well when I was on Playchess a while back. (Then again, I didn't task switch. ) Seemed like a decent guy. Of course, I'm sure he made a few enemies. (He was the one who usually had to lower the boom on the troublemakers.) But he also had to take a lot of cr*p from people on a daily basis. I don't think I could tolerate the abuse.

    P.S. The OP thinking about getting him fired? Pffft, ain't gonna happen!
  15. 17 Jun '10 07:35
    Originally posted by cotoi
    You are insane! You put links here to facts that happened four years ago?? What do you want to prove with that?
    You have just been proven to be a pathological liar. It is interesting how liars are unable to provide any evidence and resort to insults. What did you want me to do? Give you a story of romanian gangs on the daily mail?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482557/Romanians-living-UK-carry-1-000-crimes-months.html