Originally posted by YUG0slavI agree playing on when I'm anything more than a rook up is tedious to the extreme.
why would I want a crazy comeback win? That's just saying that you screwed up big, didn't have the courtesy to resign, then hung on like an idiot praying that your opponent will screw up, and for once your prayer was answered.
I reisgn promptly and it bugs me I have ton of 'won' games were my opponent is doing nothing but making stupid pawn moves in the hope I'll stalemate him/her.
Originally posted by YUG0slavThis sounds very weak to me. Yes, if you are totally in a losing position with no hope, then by all means do the polite thing and resign. But resigning is automatically a loss and I don't like to lose.
why would I want a crazy comeback win? That's just saying that you screwed up big, didn't have the courtesy to resign, then hung on like an idiot praying that your opponent will screw up, and for once your prayer was answered.
And besides, if someone wants to win against me, I'm going to make them earn it. This does two things- it makes you extremely resourceful trying to make a comeback and it teaches your opponent how to finish someone off.
Chess is all about exploiting people's mistakes. Just because I made the first mistake doesn't mean I am going to lose, it just means I should lose. If you don't want to put in the effort on either side of the board, when you have either the advantage or disadvantage, then you are a lazy player.
In other sports, teams just don't quit when they are down 5 runs in the sixth inning, or a couple touchdowns in the 3rd quarter. They play it out, and those who are champions keep playing and recover from their mistakes.
Imagine how much people would hate a football team if they were constantly calling it quits before the game was over.
But if you like quitting things early, go for it. I'll take my crazy comeback win over your loss any day of the week.
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Originally posted by Diet CokeI looked at that game and I would have resigned because he had no hope. But it only took like 4 moves to checkmate once you queened and thats my point- if you have such an advantage anyway you are going to win easily. If they want to play it out, its their perogative and though it may annoy me to have to slog throug it its all part of the game. I sat down to play chess, and the last I heard, the only way to force a win is to checkmate someone. If they want to play it out, I have no alternative except to oblige. I think its more unsporting to call someone an idiot for hanging in there and not conceding defeat so easily.
So when in the Queen + Rook vs Bishop game would you resign?
Edit- this game is an example of what I am talking about. Though a bishop down and having about 10% chance of a win, I stuck it out and eventually resigned. But I still had a chance to catch him in a mistake and promote a pawn.
Game 2847228
my best comeback wasnt on here but playing in a club game, i only had a knight and a pawn left and my opponent had no pawns but a rook, knight and bishop, i have no idea how it happened, but i just kept on getting my opponent into check with the knight and taking one of his other pieces, eventually it was knight vs knight and i get my pawn to the end, traded for a queen and won
Originally posted by Dies IraeCouldn't have said it better. If you are in a position where it is a forced win for the opponent, then yes, you should resign. But, if you still have the material, make a fight of it. Make your opponent think. It will do nothing but help both of your games in the long run
This sounds very weak to me. Yes, if you are totally in a losing position with no hope, then by all means do the polite thing and resign. But resigning is automatically a loss and I don't like to lose.
And besides, if someone wants to win against me, I'm going to make them earn it. This does two things- it makes you extremely resourceful trying to make ...[text shortened]... gs early, go for it. I'll take my crazy comeback win over your loss any day of the week.
Originally posted by Dies Iraegood point
This sounds very weak to me. Yes, if you are totally in a losing position with no hope, then by all means do the polite thing and resign. But resigning is automatically a loss and I don't like to lose.
And besides, if someone wants to win against me, I'm going to make them earn it. This does two things- it makes you extremely resourceful trying to make ...[text shortened]... gs early, go for it. I'll take my crazy comeback win over your loss any day of the week.
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Originally posted by YUG0slavCrude. this is not a debate. I just want to SEE some.
idiot
if your opponent is winning, and you both play well, your opponent will win.
If he doesn't, it's because he did something (or a series of things) stupid
Anyways, in a game with a comeback, one can play perfectly, and comeback, even with the opponent playing very well. You don't necassairly need your opponent to mess up to comeback.
The only time to resign if no hope of draw is imminent.
Originally posted by YUG0slavIt depends on the nature of the disadvantage. In this game Game 944754 I dropped a rook on move 14. There is a case for resigning, but I could justify carrying on on the grounds that my opponent's rooks were still on their starting squares, and until they're in the game I'm not really down. It's strange, but after gaining material like that there is often a loss of initiative (and sometimes concentration - chess is not just a mathematical exercise) that justifies the player whose behind carrying on for a few moves - in that game I'd probably have had to admit defeat had my opponent got round to castling. As it turned out my opponent mishandled the position and ended up losing, so I was justified in not resigning.
why would I want a crazy comeback win? That's just saying that you screwed up big, didn't have the courtesy to resign, then hung on like an idiot praying that your opponent will screw up, and for once your prayer was answered.
Although there are cases where resigning is the only sensible option, the problem is that you have to make a judgement about how skilled your opponent is - playing on against you from the position I gave above would be pointless, but other players might let me off the hook.
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Originally posted by Dragon Fireimpressive
Not on this site but check this out OTB from (according to Fritz) 10 pawns down
http://www.farehamchess.org.uk/gameview.php?view=20
I like looking to learn from comebacks. I've yet to make one, though I think you'd call this one: Game 2865725 n the process...I was not far down though, so I dunno if it's a true "comeback"