I find myself unable to agree here. For me the game is finished the instant that one clock reaches zero. Therefore anything that happens after that is irrelevant to that game.
Many years a friend told me of his "Coca-Cola Gambit". It involved "accidently" knocking over his soda at key points in a game.
I informed him if he should do this in a tourney I was directing I would forfeit him immediately. Of course I don't know if I even had the authority to do that but he never tried it in my tournaments.
I'm thinkingthe player has to notice a flag has fallen before that
comes into effect.
But I'm not 100% sure myself.
I've a good friend who was one of the Fide Arbiters who controlled
the previous WC candites.
I'll ask him and also get permission to use his name on here.
In that case the arbiter should have been around to call flagfall, though
obviously it is impossible for the arbiter to be everywhere and sometimes an
arbiter must commit to one game rather than another.
The argeement of the draw immediately ends the game (Law 5,2c).
6.8 states A flag is considered to have fallen when the arbiter observes
the fact or when either player has made a valid claim to that effect.
The only way that the draw would not end the game in the circumstances
you mentioned was if the game had already ended (eg playing on from a
checkmate that had gone un-noticed).
Note that the Laws put no pressure on a player to indicate that his own
flag has fallen.
Some would consider it unsporting not to, but others would consider it to
be part of the game.
There seems little proof that could be used that Player A brought the game
into disrepute by his actions. Someone saw him looking at the clock!
He could deny this and even if he accepted it he could claim to have only
been concentrating on the opponent's clock.
(League Chess)
Whether a team captain can call flagfall would depend on the League Rules.
Many allow the captains to do this.
However if the League was FIDE rated the captains would need to be
licenced by FIDE and from the 1st July would need to also be non-playing if
the rules describe them as performing the duties of an arbiter.
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All deep stuff for such a simple game.
So next time someone steps in to tell you your flag has fallen
demand to see his FIDE badge.
Must admit was not to up to date with the flag falls rules.
I never lost a game on time in 500+ OTB games.
I also cannot recall ever seen a flag fall go unoticed.
I've heard about cases but I always kept an eye on the clock.
It's your 17th piece.
Originally posted by caissad4 Many years a friend told me of his "Coca-Cola Gambit". It involved "accidently" knocking over his soda at key points in a game.
I informed him if he should do this in a tourney I was directing I would forfeit him immediately. Of course I don't know if I even had the authority to do that but he never tried it in my tournaments.
Good show- and if there was an "once of prevention" award, this would be a top entry!
Originally posted by kingcolemk Thanks for that. If them's the rules then so be it, but it seems illogical to me.
Still bad sportsmanship though.
I disagree. Is it also bad sportsmanship to accept a draw offer if your opponent has mate in 1? It's not the player's fault if the opponent doesn't see it.
And so easy to just glance at a clock, or check all checks! Sheesh. If you can't do that, you don't deserve to win.
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