Originally posted by Freddie2006Actually I've never used FEN. When I wrote diagrams for the chess magazines I used a program that created a diagram from any position of a PGN file.
Under the box you type your text into is a link to "insert board from FEN. You know how to use a FEN right?
The first variation you gave is an interesting one I've used a few times OTB, and although the position is equal, I've found white has more attacking chances.
In the second variation, isn't 6. Ne2 more accepted as it protects c3 from any potential attack from a dark squared bishop.
Regarding 6.Ne2?! Here's my thinking... White is playing for an attack and has given up 2 pawns for quick development. Hence it is imperative to keep making moves that promote an attack. 6.Nf3 and castling K-side to get the rook on the e-file are moves that give Black problems.
6.Ne2 is a defensive move, not an attacking line of play. If Black played the bishop check then White could play Ne2 and Black would have the problem of his g7 square under attack.
Originally posted by arrakisMan, you guys really do sound like you know what you're talking about, and it's amazing considering none of you really do know what you're talking about. I think I'd rather play some Bruce Pandolfini Solitaire chess out of Chess Life. See you guys later.
After 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2 Black's most popular variation is to give one of the pawns back with 5...d5!?. Such play usually ends up in an equal game. An example continuation is 6.Bxd5 Nf6 7.Bxf7+ winning Black's queen 7...KxB 8.QxQ Bb5+ winning the queen back 9.Qd2 BxQ 10.NxQ
However after 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc ...[text shortened]... , how did you post the diagram in your message? When I tried a copy and paste it didn't work.
Originally posted by powershakerI do apologise, but until you actually get your rating past 1700 instead of just telling yourself it should be there, I'll take advice from arrakis and gorgar.
Man, you guys really do sound like you know what you're talking about, and it's amazing considering none of you really do know what you're talking about. I think I'd rather play some Bruce Pandolfini Solitaire chess out of Chess Life. See you guys later.
edit: Just out of curiousity, what would be your advice on how to counter a queen side attack by black playing the white side of the Danish Gambit? You're clearly expert in this opening where we are not.
i've tried the danish but most good players wont accept c3. i find it hard to play on after d3 by black and you take with your queen but your knight has trouble developing. also black can do d4 offering a pawn of his on. i'm starting to like the scotch gambit because you can offer those two pawns and black can't play d4 and its much easier for white to attack without moves that bore the game like Bb3. although the accepted danish gambit is fun to play. i'll play a danish gambit with you one as black and one as white if you want.
Originally posted by kmac27There's a nice little trap if they don't play c3 if I remember rightly. I'll go see if I can dig it up.
i've tried the danish but most good players wont accept c3. i find it hard to play on after d3 by black and you take with your queen but your knight has trouble developing. also black can do d4 offering a pawn of his on. i'm starting to like the scotch gambit because you can offer those two pawns and black can't play d4 and its much easier for white to attack ...[text shortened]... s fun to play. i'll play a danish gambit with you one as black and one as white if you want.
Originally posted by powershakerI don't know where you get your ideas from. I've been writing chess articles for magazines since 1978. My OTB rating back then was around 2100 USCF.
Man, you guys really do sound like you know what you're talking about, and it's amazing considering none of you really do know what you're talking about. I think I'd rather play some Bruce Pandolfini Solitaire chess out of Chess Life. See you guys later.
Originally posted by kmac27The Danish Gambit is something I might play in a 5 minute blitz game. If you don't care if you win or lose you might play it for fun against a weaker opponent here.
i've tried the danish but most good players wont accept c3. i find it hard to play on after d3 by black and you take with your queen but your knight has trouble developing. also black can do d4 offering a pawn of his on. i'm starting to like the scotch gambit because you can offer those two pawns and black can't play d4 and its much easier for white to attack ...[text shortened]... s fun to play. i'll play a danish gambit with you one as black and one as white if you want.
The problem with it, and with all gambits, is that one side gives up material for attacking chances. What this really amounts to is creating a position full of rich possibilities that your opponent won't find the correct moves to take advantage of his material.
But when playing a game here instead of OTB chess, people have a lot of time and resources (databases) to help them get thru all the complications.
that is true. i'm thinking of buying danish dynamite which deals with a lot of related gambits from the danish such as the scotch and goring. of course but if your playing someone and they use a database against you you can learn even more about it by going back and seeing what you may have done better. but higher rated players usually have seen almost every opening thats worth studying and know waht to do.
Originally posted by Freddie2006In his "Play Classical Defenses and Win", Eric Schiller recommends the offbeat Nordic Variation: 5...Nh6!?. Black holds onto the two extra pawns and guards f7 with a piece other than the queen.
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/2B1P3/8/PB3PPP/RN1QK1NR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
The game has gone 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2
What is the best counter for white when black pushes his queen side pawns to try and block out the developed bishops that white has? For example; black plays 5...c6 6...b5{attacking the white bishop} and then co ...[text shortened]... d when black played this against me, and was wondering if anyone had some decent tips or advice.
Originally posted by Freddie2006If black wastes time with meaningless q-side pawn moves then it will be rape and pillage on the K-side.
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/2B1P3/8/PB3PPP/RN1QK1NR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
The game has gone 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2
What is the best counter for white when black pushes his queen side pawns to try and block out the developed bishops that white has? For example; black plays 5...c6 6...b5{attacking the white bishop} and then co ...[text shortened]... d when black played this against me, and was wondering if anyone had some decent tips or advice.
5... c6? 6 Nf3 b5? 7 Bxf7! SMACK! and white is seriously winning with a raging attack.
Black MUST develop his K-side with all haste! later sac maybe one pawn back and he should be LHAO.
Originally posted by Freddie2006Oooo! Pretty!
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/8/2B1P3/8/PB3PPP/RN1QK1NR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
The game has gone 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2
What is the best counter for white when black pushes his queen side pawns to try and block out the developed bishops that white has? For example; black plays 5...c6 6...b5{attacking the white bishop} and then co ...[text shortened]... d when black played this against me, and was wondering if anyone had some decent tips or advice.
i found it easy to check with the bishop in that position as black. either he blocks with the knight and you can bring out your knight and be read yto kingside castle or he brings out his bishop and then you trade and then bring out the knight i dont mind blacks position because you can screw up a little in the game and still win. i find it hard when my opponent plays d3 when i play c3. its hard to get my knigit activated and create an attack.
The Nordic Variation ( 1 e4 e5 2 d4 ed 3 c3 dc 4 Bc4 cb 5 Bb2 Nh6) should appeal to players who like to "have an extra pawn in their pocket." In this case the defender has two pawns in his pocket. Of course, the real question is "Can White get a nice ebony King to put in his own pocket?"