The game has gone 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2
What is the best counter for white when black pushes his queen side pawns to try and block out the developed bishops that white has? For example; black plays 5...c6 6...b5{attacking the white bishop} and then continues to push those pawns down to force white to make several moves to try and (not very successfully) avoid losing the bishop pair.
I really struggled when black played this against me, and was wondering if anyone had some decent tips or advice.
if Black starts messing around chasing away the bishop, white should be playing moves such as Qb3 and Nf3 and mabey O-O while he is doing so, getting all the peices pointing towards the kingside and continuing with the aggressive plan he has commited to by playing such a gambit.
Always remember to an eye out for a Sac on f7,
esp. after black if moved some queenside pawns and left the a8 rook hanging and exposed
Originally posted by PoppensepBut while I'm busy playing my 0-0 and Nf3 Qb3 etc... he is attacking my bishops. What am I supposed to do?...let him take them?
if Black starts messing around chasing away the bishop, white should be playing moves such as Qb3 and Nf3 and mabey O-O while he is doing so, getting all the peices pointing towards the kingside and continuing with the aggressive plan he has commited to by playing such a gambit.
Always remember to an eye out for a Sac on f7,
esp. after black if moved some queenside pawns and left the a8 rook hanging and exposed
I don't really like the Qb3 idea.I think it fails after d5,a typical response in such positions.
Instead I'd look at it using logical reasoning instead of concrete moves.
White is down 2 pawns but has a lead in development and open lines for his pieces.Black's task is to catch up in development.The plan c6-b5-a5-a4-a3 is quite the opposite of that and thus can't really be very good.The problem is how to take advantage of it.I'd think more quick development,king safety and activating the rooks should be white's plan.
I tried it against fritz and,after being squashed several times,I reached the following reasonable looking line:
5....,c6 6.Nf3,b5 7.Bd3,a5 8.0-0,a4 9.Bxf7?! since Black's entire army is still in bed I think this sacrifice is justified 9....,Kxf7 10.Ne5+,Ke6 11.Qg4+,Ke7 12.Qh5,Qe8 13.Ba3,Kd8 14.Nf7+,Kc7 15.Qf3 and the h8 rook falls.White will still be a piece down since the knight will die too but I think Black's lack of development and awkward king position give enough compensation for the piece.
Originally posted by GorgarI'll assume you 7. Bb3 for 9. Bxf7 to work.
I don't really like the Qb3 idea.I think it fails after d5,a typical response in such positions.
Instead I'd look at it using logical reasoning instead of concrete moves.
White is down 2 pawns but has a lead in development and open lines for his pieces.Black's task is to catch up in development.The plan c6-b5-a5-a4-a3 is quite the opposite of that and thus ...[text shortened]... 's lack of development and awkward king position give enough compensation for the piece.
After 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2 Black's most popular variation is to give one of the pawns back with 5...d5!?. Such play usually ends up in an equal game. An example continuation is 6.Bxd5 Nf6 7.Bxf7+ winning Black's queen 7...KxB 8.QxQ Bb5+ winning the queen back 9.Qd2 BxQ 10.NxQ
However after 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2 c6 is an interesting move. I think WHite should handle the position by not trying to bust the opening but taking advantage of his lead in development. AN example continuation is: 6.Nf3 d6 7.0-0 and you will notice that Black has difficulty developing his K-side.
BTW Freddie2006, how did you post the diagram in your message? When I tried a copy and paste it didn't work.
Originally posted by arrakisUnder the box you type your text into is a link to "insert board from FEN. You know how to use a FEN right?
After 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc4 cxb2 5. Bxb2 Black's most popular variation is to give one of the pawns back with 5...d5!?. Such play usually ends up in an equal game. An example continuation is 6.Bxd5 Nf6 7.Bxf7+ winning Black's queen 7...KxB 8.QxQ Bb5+ winning the queen back 9.Qd2 BxQ 10.NxQ
However after 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Bc ...[text shortened]... , how did you post the diagram in your message? When I tried a copy and paste it didn't work.
The first variation you gave is an interesting one I've used a few times OTB, and although the position is equal, I've found white has more attacking chances.
In the second variation, isn't 6. Ne2 more accepted as it protects c3 from any potential attack from a dark squared bishop.