09 Sep 06
Originally posted by watersapienI find it boring to play. It leads to quite and postional games most of the time. If that's what you are looking for then go for it.
Hey all, I've been thinking of using the dutch defence of late and I was wondering whether I could get an opinion of this opening. Feel free to write anything so long as it's objective and instructive. Thank a huge bunch!
Personally, I prefer some fireworks and exciting chess.
If you are starting out playing chess then this opening is not for you. Better to work on your tactics and play exciting, open games.
Rahim K
09 Sep 06
Originally posted by RahimKDutch, positional? New information to me, but I don't play it, so I guess that is to be expected.
I find it boring to play. It leads to quite and postional games most of the time. If that's what you are looking for then go for it.
Personally, I prefer some fireworks and exciting chess.
If you are starting out playing chess then this opening is not for you. Better to work on your tactics and play exciting, open games.
Rahim K
09 Sep 06
Originally posted by RahimKLike I said, all three can turn positional.
They aren't positional.
Those are fun lively games. That's the way to learn chess when you are first starting out.
Play boring openings and you will quickly lose your interest in chess.
Sicilian Kan, or HAD, or certain Bb5 variations - Very positional.
Four Knights Game - Very positional.
KID - Couldn't tell you, because I don't play it.
I started with 1.e4, but actually switched to the English for a period, before choosing the KG because of the greater success I achieved with it.
09 Sep 06
Originally posted by cmsMasterYes anything can turn positional, but generally speaking those openings are not considered positional.
Like I said, all three can turn positional.
Sicilian Kan, or HAD, or certain Bb5 variations - Very positional.
Four Knights Game - Very positional.
KID - Couldn't tell you, because I don't play it.
I started with 1.e4, but actually switched to the English for a period, before choosing the KG because of the greater success I achieved with it.
If you want positional stuff play openings like
French, Caro-Kann, Dutch, etc...
09 Sep 06
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Originally posted by RahimKWhat would you consider a dynamic defense for Black as a response to 1. d4? I am looking for a response that would lead to tactical middle game positions. I've tried the KID, but it has led to cramped positions and also boring positions in which white maintains a small initiative throughout when white swaps dxe (or dxc) at the appropriate time when black plays e5 (or c5). 1...d5 leads to symmetical type positions I don't like and, the QID is solid, but lacks fireworks. The Dutch usually seems to result in positional games from the games I've played with it and I like the system, but curiously there appears to be much less theory regarding the Dutch than other opening systems, and few top players play it.
I find it boring to play. It leads to quite and postional games most of the time. If that's what you are looking for then go for it. Personally, I prefer some fireworks and exciting chess.
If you are starting out playing chess then this opening is not for you. Better to work on your tactics and play exciting, open games.
Rahim K
What's a openings response to 1. d4 that results tactical positions? I don't like early gambits for Black and although a few lines of the KID are sharp, the games that result are still positional - and white has annoying sidelines in the KID system.
09 Sep 06
Originally posted by YugaI know you said no gambits but....
What would you consider a dynamic defense for Black as a response to 1. d4? I am looking for a response that would lead to tactical middle game positions. I've tried the KID, but it has led to cramped positions and also boring positions in which white maintains a small initiative throughout when white swaps dxe (or dxc) at the appropriate time when black play ...[text shortened]... ames that result are still positional - and white has annoying sidelines in the KID system.
The Benko Gambit is about as great as it gets against 1.d4.
And if white accepts the gambit fully then black gets adequate (no doubt about it) compensation for the pawn.
09 Sep 06
Originally posted by cmsMasterAh...the Benko never occurred to me as something that I may want to play.
I know you said no gambits but....
The Benko Gambit is about as great as it gets against 1.d4.
And if white accepts the gambit fully then black gets adequate (no doubt about it) compensation for the pawn.
Indeed Black gets adequate compensation for the pawn.
Thanks! 🙂
09 Sep 06
Originally posted by YugaAlbin counter gambit is great against 1.d4. It gives up a pawn but you get great play as black.
What would you consider a dynamic defense for Black as a response to 1. d4? I am looking for a response that would lead to tactical middle game positions. I've tried the KID, but it has led to cramped positions and also boring positions in which white maintains a small initiative throughout when white swaps dxe (or dxc) at the appropriate time when black play ...[text shortened]... ames that result are still positional - and white has annoying sidelines in the KID system.
But if your aren't into that then I don't get anything else. KID is cramped if you don't know what is going on so I don't play it.
I play the nizmo or bogo. It's not tactical but I like it.
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 etc...
09 Sep 06
The Leningrad Dutch is anything but dull.
It's essentially the KID, except with black's kingside left more or less undefended in the hope of creating a far more aggressive counterattack. You could easily make the argument that it is the most aggressive of all d-pawn openings.
The Stonewall can be dull, if both sides know their lines.