The Fred Defense (1.e4 f5) should be dead because it gets you nowhere. After 2.exf5, black is already a pawn down. If black makes a bad move such as 2. ...d5 for some reason, white has an evil threat of 3.Qh5+ g6 4.fxg6 Nf6 5.g7+ Nxh5 6.gxh8=Q! After all that, black has an awful position and is a rook and two pawns down. After 2. ...Nf6, white has the posibility of for example: 3.g4 h5 4.g5 Ne4 5.h4 d5 6.d3 Nd6 7.Be2, which will leave black with a terrible position. Another variation is 2. ...Nh6 3.Qh5+ Nf7. Another posibility for black is 2. ...h5 3.g4 Nf6, which transposes into the 3.g4 h5 4.g5 Ne4 5.h4 d5 6.d3 Nd6 7.Be2 variation. My point is no one should play the Fred Defense ... EVER!
Originally posted by Dutch DefenseAfter 1.e4 f5?! 2.exf5 Nf6 3.g4 h5 4.g5 Ne4 5.h4?! d5 6.d3 Nd6 7.Be2 black should play 7....Bxf5 and after 8.Bxh5+ g6 they will have compensation due to white kingside pawn structure. for example 9.Bf3 c6 with idea Nd7-e5-Qc7(b6) and 0-0-0. so this opening is playable at least against you 😀
The Fred Defense (1.e4 f5) should be dead because it gets you nowhere. After 2.exf5, black is already a pawn down. If black makes a bad move such as 2. ...d5 for some reason, white has an evil threat of 3.Qh5+ g6 4.fxg6 Nf6 5.g7+ Nxh5 6.gxh8=Q! After all that, black has an awful position and is a rook and two pawns down. After 2. ...Nf6, white has the ...[text shortened]... Ne4 5.h4 d5 6.d3 Nd6 7.Be2 variation. My point is no one should play the Fred Defense ... EVER!
Originally posted by KorchThat's a good point. However, those aren't all of the variations of the Fred Defense and with that one you mentioned, black would be fine. black is down a pawn and don't forget about white's queenside with idea of Bf4-Qe2-Nd2-Nb3 and 0-0-0. 😀
After 1.e4 f5?! 2.exf5 Nf6 3.g4 h5 4.g5 Ne4 5.h4?! d5 6.d3 Nd6 7.Be2 black should play 7....Bxf5 and after 8.Bxh5+ g6 they will have compensation due to white kingside pawn structure. for example 9.Bf3 c6 with idea Nd7-e5-Qc7(b6) and 0-0-0. so this opening is playable at least against you 😀
I've played the Fred (actually, 1.e4 f5? 2.exf5 Kf7?) about 70-80 times in casual speed chess, against players in the 1400-1700 range. I won every game. Not because of the opening, of course. The Fred is really terrible, almost as bad as the Grob. 😀 Playing the Fred is very much like playing an odds game.
The key to defeating the Fred is NOT to play for an immediate checkmate. Just take a pawn or two and then develop like mad.
Originally posted by Dutch DefenseI know that white can play better, but (like other risky openings) as I showed, if white plays inaccuracy (which is very possible, as you have showed), then black can get very good position.
That's a good point. However, those aren't all of the variations of the Fred Defense and with that one you mentioned, black would be fine. black is down a pawn and don't forget about white's queenside with idea of Bf4-Qe2-Nd2-Nb3 and 0-0-0. 😀
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[Event "Open invite"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2009.01.14"]
[Round "?"]
[White "thesag2"]
[Black "pulern"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B00"]
[WhiteElo "1681"]
[BlackElo "1916"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]
1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 3. Qh5+ g6 4. fxg6+ Kg7
5. gxh7 Rxh7 6. Qg5+ Kh8 7. Bd3 Bh6 8. Qg3 Rg7
9. Qf3 Nc6 10. b3 d5 11. Bb2 e5 12. g3 e4
13. Bxg7+ Kxg7 14.Bxe4 dxe4 15. Qc3+ Kg6 16. Ne2 Bg7
17. Nf4+ Kh7 18. Qc5 Bxa1 19. Qh5+ Kg7 20.Qg6+ Kf8
21. c3 Qf6 22. Qh7 Nge7 23. O-O Bf5 24. Qh5 Ne5
25. Na3 Bb2 26. Nc4 Nxc4 27. bxc4 Rd8 28. Qe2 Ba3
29. h4 Bd6 30. Nd5 Nxd5 31. cxd5 Kg7 32. Kg2 b6
33. Rh1 Qg6 34. Rh2 Qg4 35. Qe1 Qf3+ 36. Kg1 Kh6
37. c4 Rf8 38. Qc1 Kh7 39. h5 Bc5 40. d4 exd3
41. h6 Qxg3+ 42. Rg2 Bxf2+ 0-1
Originally posted by KorchKorch,
After 1.e4 f5?! 2.exf5 Nf6 3.g4 h5 4.g5 Ne4 5.h4?! d5 6.d3 Nd6 7.Be2 black should play 7....Bxf5 and after 8.Bxh5+ g6 they will have compensation due to white kingside pawn structure. for example 9.Bf3 c6 with idea Nd7-e5-Qc7(b6) and 0-0-0. so this opening is playable at least against you 😀
You could play 1.e4 2.Qh5 3.Qxh7 and still beat me.
Well, the fred, As I heard is not a terrible opening.
1 e4 f5 ?!, another way of challenging the pawn,
2. Exf5, of course white accept, but Now after Nf6, he has choice.
Bd3, lead to e5, fx6 Bd6, exd7, Bxd7. black is two pawn down,
g4 has its answer and Be2 is the best,
I would not try that, but you can try it if you want.
Originally posted by pulernNot quite. 2.exf5 isn't forced and white has the resourceful 2.Ke2!!
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Kf7
The idea behind this opening is to get rid of the weak f-pawn and develop the strongest piece early, luring White’s Queen out to remove the rest of the unnecessary king side pawns.
A refutation of 1.e4 ?