21 Jul 06
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EDIT: oops i forgot to put in message....well here it goes
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nf6
Mainline continues as:
3. Nxe5 d6
4. Nf3 Nxe4
5. d4
I read that this opening is often drawish but I have played it in the past and have read and learned by some expierience that it is a solid defence for black. I was hoping some of you could share some insight on this opening or be willing to play an unrated game (you as white, me as black through move 2) with it.
22 Jul 06
I like the Petrov and play it quite often with generally positive results and never had a draw. It might be drawish at IM or GM levels but not at ours.
Here's a recent game between two good players where black won: Game 2044021
22 Jul 06
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Originally posted by c guy1In amateur chess no opening is drawish 🙂
I read that this opening is often drawish but I have played it in the past and have read and learned by some expierience that it is a solid defence for black.
When I started on my chess improvement journey first thing was to select one opening for white and two for black (against 1.e4 and 1.d4). Yes, I fell into the common trap of thinking that improving chess begins with studying openings. Petroff defense was my choice for answering 1.e4 because I had had a lot of trouble against it with white. I played Petroff some two years before switching back to 2.Nc6 (in my humble opinion games are more versatile after 2.Nc6 as I get to play Two Knights, Marshall Attack etc.).
Things I liked about Petroff:
1.) Rather easy to learn and play, the first 8-12 moves are easy to understand.
2.) Not that many variations to learn. I have here the percentages of whitch lines I usually faced in 64 standard games on FICS.
- Most people (53 % ) played the main line [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5]
- Especially weaker players often (27 % ) declined the main line and tried to go for Four Knights [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3] but Black can surprise with 3...Bb4 a la Frank Marshall.
- few (only 6 % but usually good) players used the Steinitz line [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4]
- some (8 % ) played a gambit with Bc4, these lines can be tricky and Black should have something prepared for it [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4]
3.) I usually got to play "my opening" from the start as Petroff is less common than 2.Nc6.
Things I didn't like:
1.) Although the mainline is rather easy to play I felt that it leaves White with some space advantage and more active pieces. The real trouble with Petroff is what to do after the first ten moves, where to play etc.
2.) I like aggressive lines but unfortunately I had little success with Marshall variation with 6...Bd6 [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Bd6]. The lines with 6...Nc6 and 7...Be7 are more solid. The best online material I found is: http://www.exeterchessclub.org.uk/Openings/pet_ToC.html
Regards,
- bahus
22 Jul 06
The classical attack is one of the best responses.
1. e4 e5
2. Knf3 Knf6
3. Knxe5 d6
4. Knf3 Kne4
5. d4 d5
6. Bd3 Bd6
This would then go into the Petrov's Defense/Steinitz Variation/Symmetrical Variation. I like to play this, and have had good results (as black) in OTB tournaments with it against strong players. The line would continue with:
7. O-O O-O
8. c4 c6
9. Knc3 Knxc3
10. bxc3 Bg4
11. h3 dxc4
12. Bc4 Bh5
13.Re1 Knd7
The play is pretty strait ford, and I think black has a good game.
22 Jul 06
Originally posted by c guy1I haven't played it much lately, but two years ago it was one of my main responses to 1.e4. Here are three games from that time that were played on another site.
any other interested or have some advice or games to show
[Event "m1077694895"]
[Site "net-chess.com"]
[Date "2004.04.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "spad"]
[Black "Wulebgr"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2049"]
[BlackElo "1500"]
[PlyCount "58"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Bd6 7. O-O O-O 8. c4
c6 9. Qc2 Bg4 10. Bxe4 dxe4 11. Qxe4 f5 12. Qd3 Qc7 13. h3 Bh5 14. Nbd2 Nd7 15.
c5 Bf4 16. Nc4 Rad8 17. Nh4 Nxc5 18. Bxf4 Qxf4 19. Qg3 Qxd4 20. Nxf5 Rxf5 21.
Rad1 Bxd1 22. Ne3 Ne4 23. Qg4 Bxg4 24. Nc2 Qc5 25. b4 Qxc2 26. f4 Rd2 27. Rf3
Bxf3 28. Kh2 Rxg2+ 29. Kh1 Ng3# 0-1
[Event "m1080164366"]
[Site "net-chess.com"]
[Date "2004.04.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "mic"]
[Black "Wulebgr"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2106"]
[BlackElo "2110"]
[PlyCount "100"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Be7 7. c4 c6 8. O-O
O-O 9. Nbd2 f5 10. Ne5 Bf6 11. cxd5 cxd5 12. f3 Ng5 13. f4 Ne6 14. Ndf3 Nc6 15.
Nxc6 bxc6 16. Bxf5 Qb6 17. Bxe6+ Bxe6 18. Kh1 Bg4 19. Qd3 Bxf3 20. Rxf3 Qxd4
21. Rb1 Rfe8 22. Bd2 Rab8 23. b3 Qxd3 24. Rxd3 Re2 25. Rc1 Rbe8 26. h3 R8e6 27.
a4 Bh4 28. g3 Bxg3 29. Rxg3 Rxd2 30. Rcg1 g6 31. f5 Ree2 32. R3g2 Rxg2 33. Rxg2
Rxg2 34. Kxg2 gxf5 35. Kf3 Kf7 36. Ke3 c5 37. h4 h5 38. a5 a6 39. Kd3 Kf6 40.
Ke3 Ke5 41. Kd3 f4 42. Kd2 d4 43. Kc2 f3 44. Kb2 f2 45. Kb1 d3 46. Kb2 f1=Q 47.
b4 d2 48. bxc5 d1=Q 49. c6 Qc4 50. c7 Qdc1# 0-1
[Event "m1082961289"]
[Site "net-chess.com"]
[Date "2004.05.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "tomy"]
[Black "Wulebgr"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2218"]
[BlackElo "2220"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d3 Nf6 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Be2 O-O 8.
O-O d5 9. Nc3 d4 10. Ne4 Nxe4 11. Bxe7 Qxe7 12. dxe4 c5 13. c4 Qxe4 14. Bd3 Qg4
15. Ne5 Qxd1 16. Raxd1 f6 17. Nf3 Bg4 18. Be2 Nc6 19. h3 Bxf3 20. Bxf3 Rac8 21.
Bxc6 Rxc6 22. Rfe1 Kf7 23. Re2 Re6 24. Rxe6 Kxe6 25. b4 b6 26. b5 Kd6 27. Re1
Rf7 28. f3 Re7 29. Rxe7 Kxe7 30. Kf2 Ke6 31. Ke2 Ke5 32. Kd3 Kf4 0-1
03 Aug 06
Originally posted by bahusI ran into that this tuesday and i have a question, what is black sapposed to do? cause
In amateur chess no opening is drawish 🙂
When I started on my chess improvement journey first thing was to select one opening for white and two for black (against 1.e4 and 1.d4). Yes, I fell into the common trap of thinking that improving chess begins with studying openings. Petroff defense was my choice for answering 1.e4 because I had had a lot of troubl ...[text shortened]... al I found is: http://www.exeterchessclub.org.uk/Openings/pet_ToC.html
Regards,
- bahus
4. Nxe5 Bxc3
5. dxc3 d6
6. Nf3 Nxe4?
7. Qe2 Qe7
8. f3
and black cant castle anymore...
08 Aug 06
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Originally posted by c guy1I'm assuming play went as followed:
I ran into that this tuesday and i have a question, what is black sapposed to do? cause
4. Nxe5 Bxc3
5. dxc3 d6
6. Nf3 Nxe4?
7. Qe2 Qe7
8. f3
and black cant castle anymore...
1.e4,e5
2.Nf3,Nf6
3.Nc3,Bb4
4.Nxe5,Bxc3
5.dxc3,d6
6.Nf3,Nxe4
7.Qe2,Qe7
8.f3??? impossible move
For the people who think the petroff is boring:
1.e4,e5
2.Nf3,Nf6
3.Nxe5,d6
4.Nf3,Nxe4
5.Nc3,Nxc3
6.dxc3,Be7
7.Be3,Nc6
8.Qd2,O-O
9.O-O-O,Ne5
10.h4!?,Nxf3!?
Does that look boring to you?
09 Aug 06
Originally posted by XpoferWhat about: 1.)e4 e5 2.)Nf3 Nf6 3.)Nxe5 Nxe4 4.)Nxf7 Nxf2?
The classical attack is one of the best responses.
1. e4 e5
2. Knf3 Knf6
3. Knxe5 d6
4. Knf3 Kne4
5. d4 d5
6. Bd3 Bd6
This would then go into the Petrov's Defense/Steinitz Variation/Symmetrical Variation. I like to play this, and have had good results (as black) in OTB tournaments with it against strong players. The line would continue with:
7. O-O O ...[text shortened]...
12. Bc4 Bh5
13.Re1 Knd7
The play is pretty strait ford, and I think black has a good game.
Now, watcha both gonna do? LOL!