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  1. 01 Jun '11 23:57
    In answer to a thread called:

    System against the sicilian needed...

    Why?

    You can only sympathise witll the Sicilian player.
    He plays 1...c5 and has no idea what is coming.

    2 Nc3 closed
    2.f4 Grand Prix
    2.b4 Wing Gambit
    2. g3 that crap
    2.Bc4! The Hooray I'm not going to g2 variation.
    2.d4 the Morra
    2.c4 The Moroczy Bind
    2.d3 Reversed English.
    2.a4 The Scud (play it like a reversed Enlgish)
    2.c3 The c3 Sicilian
    2. Bd3 The Kopec System
    2.Qh5 The Nak Attack
    2.Ne2 Keres - idea to play 3 d4 and 4. Nxd4 but it always gains time on the clock.

    And that is only on move two without even mentioning 2.Nf3.

    And the bust is.....

    2.Bb5 The Spiderman


    I'll talk you through it bit by bit.

    2...a6

    They won't be able to resist this.
    Their dream is if 3.Ba4 then 3...b5 traps the Bishop.

    3.Bc4 b5
    4.Bxf7+ ...


    This is what we proper chess players call a sacrifice.

    4...Kxf7
    5.Qh5+ g6

    5...Kf6 or 5...Ke6 and Black is mated.
    Incredibly in Game 4456453 dajackal - VadimGorovoy RHP 2008
    Black played 5...Ke6 and dajackal missed 6.Qd5+ and 7.Qf5 mate.
    The game dragged on for 63 moves ending in a white win.

    6.Qd5+ ....


    That is it the first part over with...Now does the White Queen get trapped on a8?

    6...e6
    7.Qxa8 Qc7
    8.d3!


    Important move. Getting the Bishop out and you must keep the a1-h8 diagonal free.

    8 .... Bb7
    9.Bf4! ....


    See the idea. The Black Queen is tied to defending the b7 Bishop.
    A tactical theme that is exploited throughout the whole game.

    9...e6
    10 Qa7 ....


    Now if 10...Nc6 then 11. Qxc5 and the d-pawn is pinned.

    Analysis

    and if then 11...e5 12.Qc3 and the e-pawn is pinned.

    Analysis

    See now the importance of keeping a1-h8 diagonal clear.
    (if 12...b4 then 13.Qb3+ saving the f4 Bishop)

    Back to the game.


    10 ...e5
    11 Nc3 ....


    Intending to answer 11...exf4 or 11.... Nc6 with the awkward 12 Nd5.
    Black can see the Queen won't run away so plays...

    11....Ne7
    12. Bxe5! ....


    Two Bishop sacs. This what you do with Bishops.
    Keep the two Knights though, don't sac them.

    12... dxe5
    13.Nf3 Nec6


    The Queen is trapped. Big deal she has done her bit.

    14 Nd5 Qc8
    15 Ng5+ Kg8
    16 Nf6+ Kg7
    17 Ne8+ ...


    If 17...Kg8 then Nf6+ A perpetual! with Knights!
    Perpetual is a moral victory for White, he has sacced two Bishops
    all he left with is Knights. And...

    Every Russian schoolboy knows you cannot mate with two Knights.
    Even British schoolboys know you cannot mate with two Knights.
    Even the school janitor knows you cannot mate with two Knights.
    Even the school cleaner with her mop and .... (enough....get on with it....Russ).

    So the Black King goes on a runner.

    17...Kh6
    18.Nf7+ Kh5
    19.Nf6+ Kh4
    20.h3 ....


    Mate with g3 will be very expensive to stop. Very expensive. 1-0

    Here is the full game.

  2. Standard member skeeter
    515 + 30 days
    02 Jun '11 02:08
    Anytime GP, anytime.....

    skeeter
  3. 02 Jun '11 06:08 / 1 edit
    That's no refutation of the Sicilian, I'd rather call it the "Sicilian Suicidal Line" - for White buddy, for White.

    Instead of 8...Bb7 8...Nc6 loses for White - inevitably. You wanna bet?

    You just can't spin reality according to your imagination. Nice try, however not good enough:-(
  4. 02 Jun '11 07:02
    There is also 2) Qf3 The Nerd Attack which has an impressive 11% sucess rate for White compared to only 6% wins for white playing 2) Bb5 The Spiderman. Wins for White playing 2) Bb5 seem to be mainly in U10 tournaments.
  5. 02 Jun '11 10:44
    Well reminded Lundy. 2 Qf3 The Nerd. Forgot about that one.
    Another move two for the Sicilian player to worry about.

    Hi Grenz.

    Read the final note in the game. It was not my imagination but from
    an actual game.

    Oh Yes! here are still pioneer spirits out there instead of cave painters.

    Martyrs to the game of chess who seek new things and new paths instead
    of listening to crusty dustyy old men painting on cave walls.

    "Now this is a Mammoth, stay away from it."

    Until one day a pioneer killed a Mammoth and fed the tribe for a month.
    Later that night he pee'd on the cave painters wall.

    The cave painters are now extinct.
    The pioneers circumnavigate the world and walked on the Moon.

    (Try it in blitz, the mug will think 2.Bb5 is a mouse slip.)
  6. 02 Jun '11 12:11
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    [b]In answer to a thread called:

    System against the sicilian needed...

    Why?

    You can only sympathise witll the Sicilian player.
    He plays 1...c5 and has no idea what is coming.

    2 Nc3 closed
    2.f4 Grand Prix
    2.b4 Wing Gambit
    2. g3 that crap
    2.Bc4! The Hooray I'm not going to g2 variation.
    2.d4 the Morra
    2.c4 The Moroczy Bind
    2.d3 Reversed ...[text shortened]... ph from Canada sent me this game and it featured on a very Old Corner years ago.}[/pgn]
    [/b]
    Entertaining stuff! 🙂

    I your main line what do you play against
    9 Bf4 Qf4!?
    idea
    10 Qb7 Qc1
    11 Ke2 Qb2
    12 Qb8!? Qa1 and white's queenside might just fall apart? (material equal now)
  7. 02 Jun '11 12:23
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    [b]In answer to a thread called:

    System against the sicilian needed...

    Why?

    You can only sympathise witll the Sicilian player.
    He plays 1...c5 and has no idea what is coming.

    2 Nc3 closed
    2.f4 Grand Prix
    2.b4 Wing Gambit
    2. g3 that crap
    2.Bc4! The Hooray I'm not going to g2 variation.
    2.d4 the Morra
    2.c4 The Moroczy Bind
    2.d3 Reversed ...[text shortened]... ph from Canada sent me this game and it featured on a very Old Corner years ago.}[/pgn]
    [/b]
    Secondly in the main line

    11 Nc3 Nc6
    12 Nd5 Qa5 and black is winning against both
    13 Bd2 Qd2
    14 Kd2 Na7
    and
    13. b4 Na7
    14. ba ef
  8. 04 Jun '11 05:10
    You've got to add that line to the Open Encyclopedia of Chess Openings for sure!
  9. 04 Jun '11 12:13
    2.a3 is not a bad second move ive played this a handful of times....after-2...Nc6/e6/d6/g6 3.b4 or Bc4! Depending on what move you meet it does help to have some understanding of the wing and GPA(GrandPrixAttack)Which leaves 2...e5 3.f4!...2...d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Nc3...2...Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4....There is a book out on this line written by GM Alexei Bezgodov but ive yet to see it and no idea where you would get it from.
  10. 04 Jun '11 13:25
    There is also GM Vadim Zvyagintsev's 2. Na3.
  11. 04 Jun '11 13:45
    HI PR & Albo

    Good grief there are loads of 2nd move shots v the Sicilian.
    You can only feel sorry the chump who has spent £14.95 on a Najdorf book
    to memorises the moves he is never going to see again.

    Of course 2.a3 (A mate of mine Nigel Chapman will go mad if he knows I forgotten this move).
    He plays it with the idea of b2-b4 a kind of delayed 'Wing Gambit' I called
    it the Mini-Scud. He has a tremdous score with it in league chess.

    You can get a copy of the 2.a3 book from GM Alexei Bezgodov himself.
    He runs the fish and chip shop just off the Old Kent Road next to the
    brothel owned by Frankie Lee and Judas Priest....I think.

    2.Na3 building up tension by blocking the Scud pawn. I like it!
  12. 04 Jun '11 14:23
    ...Really? I thought their brothel was somewhere in lambeth!
  13. 04 Jun '11 23:49
    Lambeth......possibly.

    "At that big house as bright as any sun
    With four and twenty windows
    And a woman's face in ev'ry one."

    I like this verse.

    "So when you see your neighbor carryin' somethin'
    Help him with his load
    And don't go mistaking Paradise
    For that home across the road. "

    'carryin' somethin' is the weight of worries a player have v any opening.

    'Paradise' is that crud Bg2 line v the Sicilian 😉

    "Well, the moral of the story
    The moral of the song
    Is simply that one should never be
    Where ones does not belong"

    and that Bishop does not belong on g2. 🙂
  14. 04 Jun '11 23:56
    1.e4 c5 2.Bb5 ? ( Is ridiculous!!) a6 3.Bc4 e6 ( Now just stop for a second, and take a look at the position. White has made (2) moves , e4 & Bc4, Black has made 3 moves!, c5,a6,e6 all useful moves!. Also the Bishop ii in a poor position!, Its now a target for a shots like, d5 and b5.
  15. 05 Jun '11 02:07
    😛