19 Nov 07
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post all your games that you have used the tactic of the rook lift.
Here is recent game of mine that I played.
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2007.11.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Minoritydan"]
[Black "tomtom232"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 4. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 5. O-O d7-d6 6. Nf3-g5 O-O 7. h2-h3 a7-a6 8. d2-d3 Nc6-a5 9. b2-b3 Bc5-d4 10. Bc1-b2 b7-b5 11. Bc4-d5 Nf6xd5 12. e4xd5 Qd8xg5 13. Ra1-b1 Bc8xh3 14. Qd1-f3 Bh3-g4 15. Qf3-g3 f7-f5 16. b3-b4 Na5-b7 17. Kg1-h1 Rf8-f6 18. Kh1-g1 Rf6-h6 19. Rf1-e1 Qg5-h5 0-1
19 Nov 07
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lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.
Game 4156659 - The second best game I've ever played and the most complicated rook lift (not the winning tactic but a contributing threat) you'll ever see.
19 Nov 07
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Originally posted by ih8senswell it is blitz... and ten minutes so I don't know wether I would have played on or not.
lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.
I think I have a rook lift otb I played around here somewhere where the rook goes up back down back up and down and up again each time creating a new threat. I can't find it right now.(I found the tactic because a couple days before I studied a game of Fischer's where he did something quite similar)
19 Nov 07
Originally posted by ih8sensI don't even get it...
lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.
Game 4156659 - The second best game I've ever played and the most complicated rook lift (not the winning tactic but a contributing threat) you'll ever see.
why not just 11. Ng3?
is Rh3 essential at all?
doesn't appear so.
19 Nov 07
Originally posted by tomtom232it appears that you start a new thread for the latest tactic you employ...
post all your games that you have used the tactic of the rook lift.
Here is recent game of mine that I played.
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2007.11.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Minoritydan"]
[Black "tomtom232"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 4. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 5. O-O d7-d6 6. Nf3-g ...[text shortened]... f7-f5 16. b3-b4 Na5-b7 17. Kg1-h1 Rf8-f6 18. Kh1-g1 Rf6-h6 19. Rf1-e1 Qg5-h5 0-1
next we'll be seeing a revolutionary pawn sac on move two from you...
1. e4 e5
2. f4????!!!!!
WHOAH!!!
tomtom just changed chess forever!!!!
or maybe he'll pick this up out of nowhere in the Sicilian:
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 a6
6. Ng5 Qb6
7. f4?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Qxb2 etc.
we'll have to name all pawn sacs involving f4 after tomtom, since he is, of course, revolutionizing the rest of chess theory.
19 Nov 07
Originally posted by tomtom232How do you define that tactic, what are the criteria of it to be called a rook lift?
post all your games that you have used the tactic of the rook lift.
Here is recent game of mine that I played.
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2007.11.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Minoritydan"]
[Black "tomtom232"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 4. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 5. O-O d7-d6 6. Nf3-g ...[text shortened]... f7-f5 16. b3-b4 Na5-b7 17. Kg1-h1 Rf8-f6 18. Kh1-g1 Rf6-h6 19. Rf1-e1 Qg5-h5 0-1
19 Nov 07
Originally posted by HurricaneConway125It's when you move a rook forward and then sideways to take it to a file where it otherwise couldn't get to, usually because it's closed.
How do you define that tactic, what are the criteria of it to be called a rook lift?
In this example white has just sacrificed a bishop for the attack and brings the rook over to the h-file with 1. Rf3! soon to be followed by Rh3.
19 Nov 07
Originally posted by zzywIs this position from that old Horowitz book that recommends the stonewall attack?
It's when you move a rook forward and then sideways to take it to a file where it otherwise couldn't get to, usually because it's closed.
[fen]r3nrk1/2qb1pp1/ppnbp3/2ppN1PQ/P2P1P2/2P1P3/1P1N3P/R1B2RK1 w - - 0 15[/fen]
In this example white has just sacrificed a bishop for the attack and brings the rook over to the h-file with 1. Rf3! soon to be followed by Rh3.
19 Nov 07
Originally posted by rubberjaw30damn straight!
it appears that you start a new thread for the latest tactic you employ...
next we'll be seeing a revolutionary pawn sac on move two from you...
1. e4 e5
2. f4????!!!!!
WHOAH!!!
tomtom just changed chess forever!!!!
or maybe he'll pick this up out of nowhere in the Sicilian:
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 a6
6. Ng5 Qb6 ...[text shortened]... involving f4 after tomtom, since he is, of course, revolutionizing the rest of chess theory.
19 Nov 07
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Originally posted by rubberjaw30actually i have found a new line in the Najdorf poisoned pawn where black gives back a pawn for a forced(I think) win of course white doesn't have to accept the pawn but if they don't know the line they will probably end up taking the pawn.
it appears that you start a new thread for the latest tactic you employ...
next we'll be seeing a revolutionary pawn sac on move two from you...
1. e4 e5
2. f4????!!!!!
WHOAH!!!
tomtom just changed chess forever!!!!
or maybe he'll pick this up out of nowhere in the Sicilian:
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 a6
6. Ng5 Qb6 involving f4 after tomtom, since he is, of course, revolutionizing the rest of chess theory.
20 Nov 07
Originally posted by Red NightActually, it's a position from a game I played as a teenager when I just worked through "How to think ahead in Chess" so it is indeed inspired by Horowitz's recommendations.
Is this position from that old Horowitz book that recommends the stonewall attack?
19 Jan 08
Originally posted by ih8sensI think this game shows he was using an engine...that rook lift is indeed suspicious.
lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.
Game 4156659 - The second best game I've ever played and the most complicated rook lift (not the winning tactic but a contributing threat) you'll ever see.
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by tomtom232The theme of the Rh3 lift in the French Classical should come as no surprise, for example, both Anand-Shirov, Tehran 2000 and Sakaev-Bareev, Elista 1998 followed 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Nce2 c5 6.f4 Nc6 7.c3 Qb6 8.Nf3 f6 9.a3 Be7 10.h4 0-0 11.Rh3.
I think this game shows he was using an engine...that rook lift is indeed suspicious.