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  1. 19 Nov '07 02:19 / 1 edit
    post all your games that you have used the tactic of the rook lift.

    Here is recent game of mine that I played.

    [Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
    [Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2007.11.18"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Minoritydan"]
    [Black "tomtom232"]
    [Result "0-1"]

    1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 4. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 5. O-O d7-d6 6. Nf3-g5 O-O 7. h2-h3 a7-a6 8. d2-d3 Nc6-a5 9. b2-b3 Bc5-d4 10. Bc1-b2 b7-b5 11. Bc4-d5 Nf6xd5 12. e4xd5 Qd8xg5 13. Ra1-b1 Bc8xh3 14. Qd1-f3 Bh3-g4 15. Qf3-g3 f7-f5 16. b3-b4 Na5-b7 17. Kg1-h1 Rf8-f6 18. Kh1-g1 Rf6-h6 19. Rf1-e1 Qg5-h5 0-1
  2. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    19 Nov '07 02:34 / 1 edit
    lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.

    Game 4156659 - The second best game I've ever played and the most complicated rook lift (not the winning tactic but a contributing threat) you'll ever see.
  3. 19 Nov '07 02:36 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.
    well it is blitz... and ten minutes so I don't know wether I would have played on or not.

    I think I have a rook lift otb I played around here somewhere where the rook goes up back down back up and down and up again each time creating a new threat. I can't find it right now.(I found the tactic because a couple days before I studied a game of Fischer's where he did something quite similar)
  4. 19 Nov '07 03:21
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.

    Game 4156659 - The second best game I've ever played and the most complicated rook lift (not the winning tactic but a contributing threat) you'll ever see.
    I don't even get it...
    why not just 11. Ng3?
    is Rh3 essential at all?
    doesn't appear so.
  5. 19 Nov '07 03:25
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    post all your games that you have used the tactic of the rook lift.

    Here is recent game of mine that I played.

    [Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
    [Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2007.11.18"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Minoritydan"]
    [Black "tomtom232"]
    [Result "0-1"]

    1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 4. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 5. O-O d7-d6 6. Nf3-g ...[text shortened]... f7-f5 16. b3-b4 Na5-b7 17. Kg1-h1 Rf8-f6 18. Kh1-g1 Rf6-h6 19. Rf1-e1 Qg5-h5 0-1
    it appears that you start a new thread for the latest tactic you employ...
    next we'll be seeing a revolutionary pawn sac on move two from you...
    1. e4 e5
    2. f4????!!!!!
    WHOAH!!!
    tomtom just changed chess forever!!!!
    or maybe he'll pick this up out of nowhere in the Sicilian:
    1. e4 c5
    2. Nf3 d6
    3. d4 cxd4
    4. Nxd4 Nf6
    5. Nc3 a6
    6. Ng5 Qb6
    7. f4?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    Qxb2 etc.
    we'll have to name all pawn sacs involving f4 after tomtom, since he is, of course, revolutionizing the rest of chess theory.
  6. Standard member HurricaneConway125
    SUPREMO OF SOMERSET
    19 Nov '07 17:32
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    post all your games that you have used the tactic of the rook lift.

    Here is recent game of mine that I played.

    [Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
    [Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2007.11.18"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Minoritydan"]
    [Black "tomtom232"]
    [Result "0-1"]

    1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6 4. Bf1-c4 Bf8-c5 5. O-O d7-d6 6. Nf3-g ...[text shortened]... f7-f5 16. b3-b4 Na5-b7 17. Kg1-h1 Rf8-f6 18. Kh1-g1 Rf6-h6 19. Rf1-e1 Qg5-h5 0-1
    How do you define that tactic, what are the criteria of it to be called a rook lift?
  7. 19 Nov '07 18:22
    Originally posted by HurricaneConway125
    How do you define that tactic, what are the criteria of it to be called a rook lift?
    It's when you move a rook forward and then sideways to take it to a file where it otherwise couldn't get to, usually because it's closed.



    In this example white has just sacrificed a bishop for the attack and brings the rook over to the h-file with 1. Rf3! soon to be followed by Rh3.
  8. Standard member Red Night
    RHP Prophet
    19 Nov '07 18:39
    Originally posted by zzyw
    It's when you move a rook forward and then sideways to take it to a file where it otherwise couldn't get to, usually because it's closed.

    [fen]r3nrk1/2qb1pp1/ppnbp3/2ppN1PQ/P2P1P2/2P1P3/1P1N3P/R1B2RK1 w - - 0 15[/fen]

    In this example white has just sacrificed a bishop for the attack and brings the rook over to the h-file with 1. Rf3! soon to be followed by Rh3.
    Is this position from that old Horowitz book that recommends the stonewall attack?
  9. 19 Nov '07 23:43
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    it appears that you start a new thread for the latest tactic you employ...
    next we'll be seeing a revolutionary pawn sac on move two from you...
    1. e4 e5
    2. f4????!!!!!
    WHOAH!!!
    tomtom just changed chess forever!!!!
    or maybe he'll pick this up out of nowhere in the Sicilian:
    1. e4 c5
    2. Nf3 d6
    3. d4 cxd4
    4. Nxd4 Nf6
    5. Nc3 a6
    6. Ng5 Qb6 ...[text shortened]... involving f4 after tomtom, since he is, of course, revolutionizing the rest of chess theory.
    damn straight!
  10. 19 Nov '07 23:50 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    it appears that you start a new thread for the latest tactic you employ...
    next we'll be seeing a revolutionary pawn sac on move two from you...
    1. e4 e5
    2. f4????!!!!!
    WHOAH!!!
    tomtom just changed chess forever!!!!
    or maybe he'll pick this up out of nowhere in the Sicilian:
    1. e4 c5
    2. Nf3 d6
    3. d4 cxd4
    4. Nxd4 Nf6
    5. Nc3 a6
    6. Ng5 Qb6 involving f4 after tomtom, since he is, of course, revolutionizing the rest of chess theory.
    actually i have found a new line in the Najdorf poisoned pawn where black gives back a pawn for a forced(I think) win of course white doesn't have to accept the pawn but if they don't know the line they will probably end up taking the pawn.
  11. 20 Nov '07 00:24
    Originally posted by Red Night
    Is this position from that old Horowitz book that recommends the stonewall attack?
    Actually, it's a position from a game I played as a teenager when I just worked through "How to think ahead in Chess" so it is indeed inspired by Horowitz's recommendations.
  12. 20 Nov '07 01:24
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    actually i have found a new line in the Najdorf poisoned pawn where black gives back a pawn for a forced(I think) win of course white doesn't have to accept the pawn but if they don't know the line they will probably end up taking the pawn.
    i rest my case!
  13. Standard member Red Night
    RHP Prophet
    20 Nov '07 01:31
    Originally posted by zzyw
    "How to think ahead in Chess" .
    Yeah, that's the book.
  14. 19 Jan '08 20:15
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    lol you had that guy murdered long before that. I woulda resigned the moment I dropped that knight.

    Game 4156659 - The second best game I've ever played and the most complicated rook lift (not the winning tactic but a contributing threat) you'll ever see.
    I think this game shows he was using an engine...that rook lift is indeed suspicious.
  15. 20 Jan '08 01:49
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    I think this game shows he was using an engine...that rook lift is indeed suspicious.
    The theme of the Rh3 lift in the French Classical should come as no surprise, for example, both Anand-Shirov, Tehran 2000 and Sakaev-Bareev, Elista 1998 followed 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Nce2 c5 6.f4 Nc6 7.c3 Qb6 8.Nf3 f6 9.a3 Be7 10.h4 0-0 11.Rh3.