Does anyone play this openning at all?
Found it a book of opennings and played it out losing two pawns and nearly getting an opponents pawn onto my back rank before I broke off the book.
Seemed a bit suicidal but it did free up all my capital pieces on one side allowing me to deliver a quick counter attack that eventually won the game.
Could it come from some sort of scottish berserker mentality or is it just a an old openning that has long since been proven too much of a gambit and dropped out of use?
Or, of course, did I play it wrong to loose so much before it turned around?
Originally posted by DeepfaultGive the link to your game so I can look it over; I play the Scotch on this site a lot and have a lot of success with it. It was considered old-fashioned and out of style, but Kasparov used it in his championship matches and came up with some improved variations. I'd be happy to look a game over for you.
Does anyone play this openning at all?
Found it a book of opennings and played it out losing two pawns and nearly getting an opponents pawn onto my back rank before I broke off the book.
Seemed a bit suicidal but it did free up all my capital pieces on one side allowing me to deliver a quick counter attack that eventually won the game.
Could it ...[text shortened]... ped out of use?
Or, of course, did I play it wrong to loose so much before it turned around?
Originally posted by DeepfaultWell played attack! What you played is the Scotch Gambit; if you simply take the pawn on move 4 with the Knight it's the Scotch game. The Scotch Gambit you played is a perfectly acceptable gambit for White; you're giving up a pawn for rapid development and attack. It is considered a mistake for your opponent to grab the second pawn; this is rarely played and used to be called the "Compromised Defense" to the Scotch Gambit.
The game is 815914, let me know what you think or indeed if it is the scotch openning at all.
Thanks...
There were some mistakes made in the game, I could give you a detailed analysis if you want. Obviously, your opponents g5 was a bad move which you immediately found the winning moves. So well done and it looks like you have an opening!
Originally posted by Deepfaultyep, i play it from time to time
Does anyone play this openning at all?
Or, of course, did I play it wrong to loose so much before it turned around?
back when kasparov.com existed, there was a pretty good article on the opening there; 49 games in the past four The Week in Chess databases
loose is to release your grip; lose is what happens when you are outplayed--I see this word misspelled at chess sites more than any other
Originally posted by no1marauderIf it is not too much trouble I would be interested in seeing one. it was one of my most enjoyable recent games, from a what I percieved to be a poor start the game turned around nicely.
.... I could give you a detailed analysis if you want..... b]
I think when I am up against the wall I play my best chess, certianly I enjoy the victory much more.
Originally posted by Deepfaultwasn't really you i was venting against--my beef is against chess sites that misspel a word so basic to the game on their homepage: I had to say something somewhere
Oops... Yes indeed I have no excuse except perhaps rapid and loose typing 😳
I play loose and fast--love pushing that g-pawn!
Originally posted by no1marauderCorrect me if i'm wrong but it looks to me the game transposed into the Goering Gambit or even the Danish Gambit, which are fun to play.
[b] Well played attack! What you played is the Scotch Gambit; if you simply take the pawn on move 4 with the Knight it's the Scotch game. The Scotch Gambit you played is a perfectly acceptable gambit for White; you're giving up a pawn for rapid development and attack. It is considered a mistake for your opponent to grab the second pawn; this is rarely played and used to be called the "Compromised Defense" to the Scotch Gambit.
Originally posted by OutpostI don't think so. The Danish doesn't have an early Nf3 and Black obviously can't play Bb4+ in the Goring as White plays c3 on the fourth move. There is some resemblance to a few Goering lines; I found some old analysis by Tartakower referring to this line as the "Compromised Defense" to the Scotch Gambit. I would still consider 4 Bc4 as a Scotch Gambit and 4 c3 as the Goring Gambit and the variation here as an alternative defense for Black (and a iffy one).
Correct me if i'm wrong but it looks to me the game transposed into the Goering Gambit or even the Danish Gambit, which are fun to play.
Here's a relatively recent game between decent players at an important tournament:
[Event "XXI SuperGM"]
[Site "Linares ESP"]
[Date "2004.02.28"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Radjabov, T."]
[Black "Kasparov, G."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C45"]
[WhiteElo "2656"]
[BlackElo "2831"]
[PlyCount "115"]
[EventDate "2004.02.19"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2004.03.01"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2 Nd5 8.
c4 Ba6 9. b3 g6 10. f4 f6 11. exf6 Qxe2+ 12. Bxe2 Bb4+ 13. Bd2 Bxd2+ 14. Nxd2
Nxf4 15. Rf1 Nxe2 16. Kxe2 Kf7 17. Kd3 Rae8 18. Rae1 Rxe1 19. Rxe1 Kxf6 20.
Ne4+ Kg7 21. Nc3 Kf7 22. Rf1+ Ke7 23. Re1+ Kf7 24. Rf1+ Ke7 25. Re1+ Kd8 26.
Rf1 Bb7 27. Ne4 Ke7 28. Re1 Kf7 29. Kd4 h6 30. b4 d6 31. c5 Rd8 32. Re3 g5 33.
Ra3 a6 34. Rf3+ Kg7 35. Re3 Bc8 36. Rc3 dxc5+ 37. Kxc5 Be6 38. Kxc6 Bxa2 39.
Nc5 Rb8 40. Ra3 Bc4 41. Ra4 Re8 42. Kxc7 Re2 43. g4 Rxh2 44. Nxa6 Rb2 45. Kb6
Be2 46. Nc5 Bxg4 47. b5 Be2 48. Ne6+ Kf6 49. Nd4 h5 50. Kc5 g4 51. b6 g3 52. b7
g2 53. b8=Q Rxb8 54. Nxe2 Rb2 55. Ng1 Rf2 56. Ra6+ Kf5 57. Kd4 Rf1 58. Ke3
1/2-1/2
Originally posted by WulebgrI don't know if Black qualifies as 'decent'. Maybe 'talented amateur'.
Here's a relatively recent game between decent players at an important tournament:
[Event "XXI SuperGM"]
[Site "Linares ESP"]
[Date "2004.02.28"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Radjabov, T."]
[Black "Kasparov, G."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C45"]
[WhiteElo "2656"]
[BlackElo "2831"]
[PlyCount "115"]
[EventDate "2004.02.19"]
[Source ...[text shortened]... g3 52. b7
g2 53. b8=Q Rxb8 54. Nxe2 Rb2 55. Ng1 Rf2 56. Ra6+ Kf5 57. Kd4 Rf1 58. Ke3
1/2-1/2