The ultimate positional sacrifice
13 Oct '12 05:47This is one of my favourite positional sacrifices (I think we can all agree it's a positional sacrifice) Check out 17.Rxb7!
Kasparov - Shirov
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Kasparov - Shirov
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13 Oct '12 06:41Originally posted by greenpawn34It seems the modifier "positional" is used mainly in the absence of immediate tactics. It reminds me of Yermolinsky's "spit and polishers" - guys who were proud of their ability to win without using many, or any, tactical motifs.
I see I have been mentioned in this thread so
I can take that as an opportunity to join this thread.
The trouble I, and others, have is with the term 'positional sacrifice'.
Let us look at the [b] Oxford Companion to Chess
one of the most meticulously researched books on the subject of Chess.
In the section titled Positional Play
H ...[text shortened]... I have to get at the King.
I have never seen a positional checkmate.[/b]
13 Oct '12 07:35Originally posted by SwissGambitIt appears to me that the term positional sacrifice must relate to the creation of a
It seems the modifier "positional" is used mainly in the absence of immediate tactics. It reminds me of Yermolinsky's "spit and polishers" - guys who were proud of their ability to win without using many, or any, tactical motifs.
13 Oct '12 09:22Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt must be a sacrifice first before it can be tactical or positional. When end up even in material in a forced (tactical) sequence it can hardly be called a sacrifice.
It appears to me that the term positional sacrifice must relate to the creation of a
positional feature of some kind, a passed pawn, isolated pawns in the opponents
position, the domination of a colour complex etc etc, whereas a tactical combination is
essentially concerned with the gaining of material or forcing mate.
13 Oct '12 09:434 editsOriginally posted by tomtom232hardly, ever heard of the concept of a temporary sacrifice, I have and I am sure
It must be a sacrifice first before it can be tactical or positional. When end up even in material in a forced (tactical) sequence it can hardly be called a sacrifice.
13 Oct '12 09:56Originally posted by robbie carrobieA temporary sacrifice is an oxymoron obviously thought up by a chess player. You cannot temporarily sacrifice something else it is not a sacrifice.
hardly, ever heard of the concept of a temporary sacrifice, I have and I am sure
that I did not make it up, never the less, seeing that some are having trouble with
the concept let me illustrate it for you with an excerpt from one of my recent games,
a temporary positional sacrifice, I am black,
bishopfellwalker v robbiecarrobie
[pgn] [Even ...[text shortened]... frain from
getting personal, this is a chess forum, not the bitchin forum, 😛
13 Oct '12 10:051 editOriginally posted by tomtom232of course you can, when giving up something one does so under the premise that one
A temporary sacrifice is an oxymoron obviously thought up by a chess player. You cannot temporarily sacrifice something else it is not a sacrifice.
Think about it... to make a sacrifice you must be giving something up, not trading.
13 Oct '12 10:231 editOriginally posted by robbie carrobieI think you are misunderstanding the word sacrifice.
of course you can, when giving up something one does so under the premise that one
shall get something in return, that the material may be redeemable is not the issue nor
the defining criteria of a sacrifice, the resulting position is. It appears to me to be
ultimately limiting the idea that one must give up something in its entirety for it to be
designated a sacrifice, for clearly we are expecting something in return, are we not?
13 Oct '12 10:302 editsOriginally posted by tomtom232tomo, you have simply chosen the top two explanations which appear to you to be
I think you are misunderstanding the word sacrifice.
Definition of SACRIFICE
1
: an act of offering to a deity something precious; especially : the killing of a victim on an altar
2
: something offered in sacrifice
3
a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else
b : something given up or lost <the sacrifices made by p ...[text shortened]... ial... if you trade material and end up with a better position you have not sacrificed anything.
13 Oct '12 15:16 13 Oct '12 15:172 edits 13 Oct '12 15:358 edits 13 Oct '12 16:102 editsOriginally posted by greenpawn34bishopfellwalker and myself will exchange notes GP, while my opening play was inspired, I blundered a piece with an automatic castling move and should not have recovered, white should have won that game in my opinion. Whites play was inspired, he really did offer a positional sacrifice that was excellent rook for knight leaving my bishop looking like an RJH that has been sent to stare at the wall with a dunces hat on. You are of course correct white needed to play d3, but its not an easy move to see.
Hi Robbie.
Sorry mate, cannot give you the positional sac, temporary or otherwise
in that posted game. White blundered into a bad postion.
You are right though, Black does indeed have an excellent position after 9 moves
you just appear to have messed is up. 😉
It was who infact played the Positional Sacrifice - a term which I still
fail to ag ke a Black tap in.} 35. Ke1 hxg4 36. hxg4+ Kg7 37. Nf4 Kf7 38. Qf2 Rh8 {White resigned.}[/pgn]
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