20 May 09
Originally posted by Tigerhouseactually, I think he is referring to intuition, where two moves appear equal, but for some reason you strongly pick one over the other...in which case I would say my best games have had a few strokes of intuition here or there AFTER my first blunder
Throughout any prepared opening lines, then ending (hopefully) after the first blunder.
21 May 09
agree the subconcious seems to work like an opeing book...
then maybe the concious says 'wait' when something odd comes up?
However have been in situations where i have conciously thought through moves n then made a huge blunder... other times thought nothing (apparently) then seen the right move... think if u play often the subconsoius must do a small search automatically
21 May 09
I think just like most things over time, your brain starts to associate moves that have helped you with pleasure, and moves which have hurt you with pain, allowing you to make better moves more quickly, without "thinking". Blitz is about that I reckon. Sometimes an unsound sacrifice is like that too, it just feels like there is a way to win there. CC tends to make me pay for this tendency though, got to do the dumdum check before clicking submit
21 May 09
Originally posted by BlackampI think this happens mostly because people have a nasty tendency to only think of the opponent's responses thoroughly when it is actually the opponent's move. I also find that no matter how good I am at calculating that I still sometimes have a hard time "seeing" if a move is blunder especially when it isn't an obvious blunder. I learned that a good way to combat this is to walk around the board and look at it from your opponent's perspective. My hypothesis is that your subconscious knows that you are playing with the pieces on the same side of the board( from the start) and your (most peoples) tendencies early in your chess days were to just play what you saw for yourself and not what your opponent could do. Now your subconscious "knows" you are playing one side and "thinks" that you only need to pay attention to that side... This would explain why walking around to the other side of the board works.
i'm also interested in cases where the subconscious might play an unhelpful role: for example, how many times do you suddenly see that your move is a blunder RIGHT AFTER you take your hand off the piece, even when you deliberated over the move for some time?
22 May 09
Originally posted by BlackampBoy howdy! This is so true. I think the before move blunder check is essential. Hard to make it a habit when playing for fun though, lord knows I'm blunder prone. Maybe what happens is you get attached to the line you were working through, and thus ignore other possibilities. Once you have moved, the tension is released, blindness removed, and suddenly your usual general board sense returns just too late. Dangit!!! Resign.
i'm also interested in cases where the subconscious might play an unhelpful role: for example, how many times do you suddenly see that your move is a blunder RIGHT AFTER you take your hand off the piece, even when you deliberated over the move for some time?
22 May 09
Originally posted by tomtom232interesting theory, but why do we so often see the blunder just when it's too late to back out - we've taken our hand off the piece, or pressed 'submit move', and then "OH NO!!!" - we don't need to walk around the board in those cases.
I think this happens mostly because people have a nasty tendency to only think of the opponent's responses thoroughly when it is actually the opponent's move. I also find that no matter how good I am at calculating that I still sometimes have a hard time "seeing" if a move is blunder especially when it isn't an obvious blunder. I learned that a good way to ...[text shortened]... at side... This would explain why walking around to the other side of the board works.
maybe we ought to ask the admins for a 'flip board' function, so we wouldn't have to turn our screens upside down to see our opponent's pov (or stand on our heads, which would be another option)😛🙂
22 May 09
Originally posted by ExumaYeah maybe it's something like this. a while back i was clearly winning in an OTB game against a much higher rated player. it should have just been a matter of technique to bring home the win. and what did i do? hang my knight, of course, while going for the kill. and then lose.
Maybe what happens is you get attached to the line you were working through, and thus ignore other possibilities.
23 May 09
Originally posted by BlackampI've also clicked submit on the real board, in my mind thinking I was clicking "reset" on the analyze board. The other great one is that you can make illegal moves on the analyze board (or a real board) and end up in a great position - so obviously the next thing to do is immediately play the first move of the combination. Then days later, scratching your head, what was I going to do here, I know I had a great move.
interesting theory, but why do we so often see the blunder just when it's too late to back out - we've taken our hand off the piece, or pressed 'submit move', and then "OH NO!!!" - we don't need to walk around the board in those cases.
maybe we ought to ask the admins for a 'flip board' function, so we wouldn't have to turn our screens upside down to see our opponent's pov (or stand on our heads, which would be another option)😛🙂