Both of these games were 15 0 games on ICC vs. ~2100 players. I was black in both of them. In the first game, Rxc3 probably wasn't sound if he played Kd1. In the second, as usual in the Benoni, I was suffering a bit, and decided to mix it up. I completely missed that my d6 pawn was haning when I played that queen sac. I sure there are improvements abound in that game! Enjoy.
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Bc4 Nc6 9. Qd2 Bd7 10. O-O-O Ne5 11. Bb3 Rc8 12. h4 h5 13. Bh6 Nc4 14. Bxc4 Rxc4 15. Bxg7 Kxg7 16. Qg5 Rc5 17. Qe3 b5 18.Nb3 Rc4 19. Qg5 b4 20. Ne2 Qc7 21. Rd2 Rc8 22. c3 bxc3 23. Nxc3 d5 24. exd5 Rxc3+ 25. bxc3 Qxc3+ 26. Kb1 Bf5+ 27. Qxf5 gxf5 28. Rc1 Qe5 29. Rxc8 Nxd5 30.Rdc2 Qe1+ 31. Rc1 Qxh4 32. Ra8 Qf2 33. Rc2 Qg1+ 34. Kb2 f4 35. Rd2 Nb6 36. Rad8 Nc4+ 37. Kc3 Nxd2 38. Rxd2 Qe3+ 39. Kc2 a5 40. a4 h4 41. Rd4 Qe2+ 42. Kc3 Qxg2 43. Rxf4 h3 44. Nd4 h2 45. Nf5+ Kf8 46. Rh4 Qxf3+ 47. Kc4 h1=Q 48. Rxh1 Qxh1 49. Nd4 Qh4 50. Kb5 Qxd4 51. Kxa5 Qb2 52. Ka6 Ke8 53. a5 Kd7 54. Ka7 Kc7 55. a6 Qb8# 0-1
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. Nf3 Bg7 8. Bd3 O-O 9. O-O Bg4 10. h3 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 a6 12. a4 Nbd7 13. Bg5 Ne5 14. Qe2 h6 15. Bf4 Nfd7 16. Bh2 g5 17. f4 gxf4 18. Bxf4 Qh4 19. Bh2 Rae8 20. Rf4 Qg5 21. Rf5 Qg6 22. Raf1 Nxd3 23. Qxd3 Ne5 24. Qe2 Rb8 25. R1f4 b5 26. axb5 axb5 27. Nxb5 c4 28. Nd4 Nd3 29. Rg4 Bxd4+ 30. Kh1 Rxb2 31. Rxg6+ fxg6 32. Rxf8+ Kxf8 33. Bxd6+ Ke8 34. Qf1 Rf2 35. Qd1 Kf7 36. Qa4 Rf1+ 37. Kh2 Bg1+ 38. Kg3 Bf2+ 39. Kg4 h5+ 40. Kf3 Bc5+ 41. Ke2 Rf2+ 42. Kd1 Nb2+ 43. Ke1 Nxa4 44. Bxc5 Rxg2 45. Bd4 c3 46. Bxc3 Nxc3 47. Kf1 Rg3 48. Kf2 Rxh3 49. e5 Nxd5 50. e6+ Kxe6 51. Kg2 Ra3 52. Kf2 h4 53. Ke2 h3 54. Kd2 h2 55. Kc2 h1=Q 56. Kb2 Rg3 57. Kc2 Qh2+ 58. Kd1 Rg1# 0-1
Originally posted by !~TONY~!i'm not impressed with white's play in either game
Both of these games were 15 0 games on ICC vs. ~2100 players. I was black in both of them. In the first game, Rxc3 probably wasn't sound if he played Kd1. In the second, as usual in the Benoni, I was suffering a bit, and decided to mix it up. I completely missed that my d6 pawn was haning when I played that queen sac. I sure there are improvements abound in ...[text shortened]... Kg2 Ra3 52. Kf2 h4 53. Ke2 h3 54. Kd2 h2 55. Kc2 h1=Q 56. Kb2 Rg3 57. Kc2 Qh2+ 58. Kd1 Rg1# 0-1
Originally posted by !~TONY~!I've only looked at the first game, because it's a Yugoslav 😀. The sac apparently was pretty dubious for black, a5 I guess is the move here. But after it white really fell apart. He really didn't play like a 2000+ after it. a5 apparently gives you a dominating edge there, but it's not as exciting 😛.
Both of these games were 15 0 games on ICC vs. ~2100 players. I was black in both of them. In the first game, Rxc3 probably wasn't sound if he played Kd1. In the second, as usual in the Benoni, I was suffering a bit, and decided to mix it up. I completely missed that my d6 pawn was haning when I played that queen sac. I sure there are improvements abound in ...[text shortened]... Kg2 Ra3 52. Kf2 h4 53. Ke2 h3 54. Kd2 h2 55. Kc2 h1=Q 56. Kb2 Rg3 57. Kc2 Qh2+ 58. Kd1 Rg1# 0-1
Originally posted by cmsMasterYeah, I looked at that line. It's funny sometimes how the mind works. I looked at d5 first, since I noticed he has to take with the pawn, and it's a thematic break in these types of positions. So after exd5, I looked at Rxc3 first, realizing that Kb1 loses quickly (which turns out to be slightly less true than I thought, but still accurate), and then I looked at Kd1 Ba4, and deemed it unclear, but I thought I had good play. Then I started looking for other ideas. I just thought it was funny that it me a long time to put together the two ideas I looked at ..d5, and ..a5 together. Lesson learned I guess. I ended up deciding that Rxc3 was more interesting and complicated, so I played that. I was right, it is more interesting...for white. 🙂 I don't blame him for playing badly after the mess that we got into. It's hard to play best moves in a game where there is a weird imbalance, especially when it's Queen for pieces and your kingside is all jacked up. Not to mention it was a 15 0 game, and you can imagine that calculating some of this stuff takes a while.
I've only looked at the first game, because it's a Yugoslav 😀. The sac apparently was pretty dubious for black, a5 I guess is the move here. But after it white really fell apart. He really didn't play like a 2000+ after it. a5 apparently gives you a dominating edge there, but it's not as exciting 😛.
Originally posted by !~TONY~!Yeah Queen for pieces is so extremely hard to play. I've very rarely had games like that, and when I do it's me that gives up the queen - I'm rather insane. And it's always extremely hard to figure out. 15-0 for those complications is very insane, and trust me, I'm not blaming him for missing moves in that variation.
Yeah, I looked at that line. It's funny sometimes how the mind works. I looked at d5 first, since I noticed he has to take with the pawn, and it's a thematic break in these types of positions. So after exd5, I looked at Rxc3 first, realizing that Kb1 loses quickly (which turns out to be slightly less true than I thought, but still accurate), and then I look ...[text shortened]... it was a 15 0 game, and you can imagine that calculating some of this stuff takes a while.
Originally posted by cmsMasterOh god, that second game's even crazier. I liked the queen sac - F9 thinks it gives white some advantage, and I guess you missed a major move, because it goes up to almost +5 for white at one point. White's major blunder is 40.Kf3?? (Kg5!). After that it's over, and you took control of it. Your major blunder is first 33.Ke8? (Kg7!) and then the big blunder for you is 35...Kf7 (Ra2). 15-0's allow for more dubious moves though, because it takes so long to analyze out positions like this where there are strange material imbalances. In fact, at my level I make dangerous sacrifices at any time control - even CC which sometimes work and sometimes don't. Here's one that just ended today which turned out beautifully even though the sac should have been refuted (I think...)
Yeah Queen for pieces is so extremely hard to play. I've very rarely had games like that, and when I do it's me that gives up the queen - I'm rather insane. And it's always extremely hard to figure out. 15-0 for those complications is very insane, and trust me, I'm not blaming him for missing moves in that variation.
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Haha, that one had to be sound. I just looked at it quickly, but 12. d6! looks to me to be pretty sick also. Yeah that second game was absolutely outrageous. I thought I had good play based on strong dark square control, the c-pawn, and my well placed pieces, but apparently white is ok. I must have blundered somewhere in the vicinity of Rxb2, maybe I move my f8 rook somewhere so after Rxg6+ he can't take off a pair, that might have been the better option. But alas, I had like a minute left, so I wasn't really thinking about such finesses. I was thinking, "WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF WITH SO LITTLE TIME!?" I couldn't resist. My roommate was standing there watching me play the game, and I told him, "Dude, I am gonna sac my queen again." And he said, "What's new?"
Originally posted by !~TONY~!Oh crap! 12.d6!! Darn, I wish I had seen that! I made 12.Qf3 quickly - prearranged line. I wonder if he had played something else if 14.d6 would have worked, I'll have to check it out - I had a few responses for him that seemed to lead to interesting positions, I expected Qb8 honestly.
Haha, that one had to be sound. I just looked at it quickly, but 12. d6! looks to me to be pretty sick also. Yeah that second game was absolutely outrageous. I thought I had good play based on strong dark square control, the c-pawn, and my well placed pieces, but apparently white is ok. I must have blundered somewhere in the vicinity of Rxb2, maybe I move m ame, and I told him, "Dude, I am gonna sac my queen again." And he said, "What's new?"
LOL, I have that same thought process sometimes 😀. I like your roomates comment the best though, lmao.
Actually as it turns out, I think both are sound. However even better is Qh5+!!.
Originally posted by cmsMasterHaha, yeah ..f6 was absolutely abyssmal and after that white can pretty much do as he pleases. I am sure Qf3 was probably good enough in any case.
Oh crap! 12.d6!! Darn, I wish I had seen that! I made 12.Qf3 quickly - prearranged line. I wonder if he had played something else if 14.d6 would have worked, I'll have to check it out - I had a few responses for him that seemed to lead to interesting positions, I expected Qb8 honestly.
LOL, I have that same thought process sometimes 😀. I like you ...[text shortened]... ugh, lmao.
Actually as it turns out, I think both are sound. However even better is Qh5+!!.
Originally posted by YUG0slavIt's a 15-0 dude. But yeah, kind of not, in any case the point wasn't what his opponent's ratings were, but the games themselves. It would have been better if Tony had just ignored their ratings, but tbh, I think he felt that most people would take my stance of "who gives a s*it?" on this.
you called?
that doesn't look like 2000ish play...
Originally posted by cmsMasterahhh 15/0, missed that part....but still!
It's a 15-0 dude. But yeah, kind of not, in any case the point wasn't what his opponent's ratings were, but the games themselves. It would have been better if Tony had just ignored their ratings, but tbh, I think he felt that most people would take my stance of "who gives a s*it?" on this.