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  1. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    12 Dec '05 18:59
    1.d4 is superior to 1.e4 for two reasons:

    1...c5 (Sicilian)

    1...e6 (French)

    White players fear these openings.
  2. Standard member Santa Drummer
    I AM INNOCENT
    12 Dec '05 19:02
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    1.d4 is superior to 1.e4 for two reasons:

    1...c5 (Sicilian)

    1...e6 (French)

    White players fear these openings.
    1. e4 is superior to 1.d4 for one reason:

    4. Qxf7#
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    12 Dec '05 19:02
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    1.d4 is superior to 1.e4 for two reasons:

    1...c5 (Sicilian)

    1...e6 (French)

    White players fear these openings.
    If you're a wimp White player. Fear doesn't get you very far in Chess.
  4. 12 Dec '05 19:07
    Originally posted by Santa Drummer
    1. e4 is superior to 1.d4 for one reason:

    4. Qxf7#
    How many good players have you caught out with that then?
  5. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    12 Dec '05 19:27
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    If you're a wimp White player. Fear doesn't get you very far in Chess.
    I assume you're not calling 1. d4 wimpy but the reasons Wulebgr gave for playing it.
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    12 Dec '05 19:30
    Originally posted by XanthosNZ
    I assume you're not calling 1. d4 wimpy but the reasons Wulebgr gave for playing it.
    Actually both. 1 d4 is for those who like knitting and other painfully boring pastimes; 1 e4 is for those who want to play real chess.
  7. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    12 Dec '05 19:35
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Actually both. 1 d4 is for those who like knitting and other painfully boring pastimes; 1 e4 is for those who want to play real chess.
  8. 12 Dec '05 19:43
    1.d4 requires a minimum of positional insight which may look boring to those who lack it.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    12 Dec '05 19:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    1.d4 requires a minimum of positional insight which may look boring to those who lack it.
    Some people have positional insight, some just fake it like they fake knowledge of endgame principles. People who apparently think that playing 1 e4 lines doesn't require a "minimum of positional insight" obviously don't know much about chess.
  10. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    12 Dec '05 19:52
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Some people have positional insight, some just fake it like they fake knowledge of endgame principles. People who apparently think that playing 1 e4 lines doesn't require a "minimum of positional insight" obviously don't know much about chess.
    And people who call 1. d4 a boring opening have never looked at it in enough detail.
  11. Standard member cludi
    Blogger
    12 Dec '05 19:57
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Actually both. 1 d4 is for those who like knitting and other painfully boring pastimes; 1 e4 is for those who want to play real chess.
    Yep!
  12. 12 Dec '05 19:57
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Some people have positional insight, some just fake it like they fake knowledge of endgame principles. People who apparently think that playing 1 e4 lines doesn't require a "minimum of positional insight" obviously don't know much about chess.
    I agree with this. And it is not in contradiction to what I said. Of course, it needs a minimum of logical capability to understand this.
  13. Standard member cludi
    Blogger
    12 Dec '05 20:07
    1.e4 is signalling primitive human hunting instincts - go for the kill immediately.
    1.d4 is signalling the modern, sophisticated approach - try to overcome your opponent through superior positional play or through opponent exhaustion due to boring play...

    I certainly prefer 1.e4
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    12 Dec '05 20:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    I agree with this. And it is not in contradiction to what I said. Of course, it needs a minimum of logical capability to understand this.
    Sure it is. You stated "that d4 requires a minimum of positional insight that may look boring to those who lack it". Remember? Since the idea of the thread is that d4 is superior to e4 (see first post), the thread is comparing two things. Since most e4 players believe that d4 leads to a more boring, slower game, you are claiming that e4 players lack a "minimum of positional insight". See how that works?

    Logic, like endgames, ain't your strong point. Do you have one?
  15. 12 Dec '05 20:58
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Sure it is. You stated "that d4 requires a minimum of positional insight that may look boring to those who lack it". Remember? Since the idea of the thread is that d4 is superior to e4 (see first post), the thread is comparing two things. Since most e4 players believe that d4 leads to a more boring, slower game, you are claiming that e4 players lack a ...[text shortened]... See how that works?

    Logic, like endgames, ain't your strong point. Do you have one?
    Your reasoning is full of holes and as usual full of assumptions which you try to make sound like they are facts. To the extent that you make it look logical, you may have a strong point in the eyes of those who do not know better. Have fun with yourself.