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  1. 01 Dec '08 04:12
    When playing d4 and your opponent plays f5 what do you like to play? I typically have a setup where I play c4 Nc3 Nf3 and bishop to f4 and play e3. However these lines are not very fun and seem to be boring to me. I'm looking for sound play. What do you play? Post your lines.
  2. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    01 Dec '08 05:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kmac27
    When playing d4 and your opponent plays f5 what do you like to play? I typically have a setup where I play c4 Nc3 Nf3 and bishop to f4 and play e3. However these lines are not very fun and seem to be boring to me. I'm looking for sound play. What do you play? Post your lines.
    As a Dutch player the lines I´m most concerned about tend to be the main line (d4, g3. Bg2, Nf3, 0-0, c4, Nc3 in that order), the 2. Bg5 line where the knight goes to c3 infront of the pawn, and the Staunton Gambit.

    Most of the time you get an attempt to play the Queen´s gambit which really isn´t scary - pawns on c4, d4 and e3 with the knights on f3 and c3 and the light squared bisop biting on granite on d3.

    When playing against the Dutch I tend to play the main line.
  3. 01 Dec '08 05:17 / 1 edit
    staunton gambit (d4 f5, e4), but for lesser players ummm I mean non gambiteers I've heard Bg5
    is very effective.
  4. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    01 Dec '08 07:15
    Something like Nf3-g3-Bg2-0-0-b3 -Bb2 - Nbd2
  5. 01 Dec '08 13:06
    I play the Dutch as black. With white, I have had many "experiments".

    1.d4 f5 2.g4 fxg4 3.h3 g3 is not so good.
    1.d4 f5 2.h3 Nf6 3.g4 d5! is also not so good.
    The main line does not concern me either.
    1.d4 f5 2.g3 (I like the Stonewall,Classical, and Leningrad and will switch between the three after a bad game)
    1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 A. 2. ... g6 is recommended (and fine)
    B. 2. ... c6 or 2. ... c5 is trappy. It is suspect but I use
    it a lot in blitz. The idea is to give the king a square a
    and play Qb6/Qa5+ followed by h6, g5, and f4.
    2. ... h6 followed by c6/c5 has the same idea.
    1.d4 f5 2.e4 can be defanged by an early Nc6.

    2. ... fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 Nc6/4.Bg5 Nc6

    1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 or 1.d4 f5 2.c4 e6 has given me some problems.

    In this line, black usually has two choices.

    Bb4 is like a Nimzo Indian. Black often has a hard time developing his queen's bishop however. Sometimes white goes queenside castling and black HAS to play c5 (ugly) just to get some play.

    The other option is a Stonewall.
    In this variation, white can castle queenside also, which is annoying.
    Another idea is for white to rush in f4. That virtually kills the Stonewall's attacking chances.

    This 2.c4/3.Nc3 may not be the best system. It might only bring equality, but it sure gives me some problems when I play the Dutch.
  6. 01 Dec '08 19:29
    London.
  7. 01 Dec '08 19:50
    What about those positions where white plays f4 - quite closed and boring most of the time, but at least it keeps your opponent out of book.
  8. 01 Dec '08 23:08
    I'm not a fan of bird type of openings. I always feel like my king is in daner.
  9. 02 Dec '08 05:44
    Originally posted by danilop
    London.
    Actually, the London System (1 d4 f5 2 Bf4) is a good, solid choice against the Dutch.
  10. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    02 Dec '08 15:13
    Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
    What about those positions where white plays f4 - quite closed and boring most of the time, but at least it keeps your opponent out of book.
    Getting your opponent ¨out of book¨ by giving yourself a rubbish position does not constitute an achievement.
  11. 03 Dec '08 13:31
    I know you specified 1. d4 but if you're an english player encountering the dutch you have an additional option to play for an e4 break via Qc2, d3, Nc3, e4

    Due to my opponents play I abandoned the plan, but not playing d4 tends to work out well for me against the dutch.

    Game 4145958
  12. 03 Dec '08 17:30
    Originally posted by zebano
    I know you specified 1. d4 but if you're an english player encountering the dutch you have an additional option to play for an e4 break via Qc2, d3, Nc3, e4

    Due to my opponents play I abandoned the plan, but not playing d4 tends to work out well for me against the dutch.

    Game 4145958
    Just out of curiosity, why did you offer draw in that position? If Qxe7 Ba6, white seems to win a pawn, and if Nxe7 Bg2, white has a strong positional advantage.
  13. 03 Dec '08 19:57
    I use to play the english but its no good for me. If I play the english then without d4 f5 is easy. With d4 its different but I like more games from d4 than c4.