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This is excluding anyone who plays the King's Indian most of the time-- those players don't need a different approach against most of these openings.
I am referring to someone who plays the Nimzo Indian, just for example. That player would be ready for 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4, but what about 2. e3, 2. Bf4, 2. Nc3, etc.-- do you have a set way of meeting these openings, or do you just wing it depending on what White is up to?
I meant to include the Torre, Veresov and Trompowsky also.
28 Nov 08
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Originally posted by Crushing DayYou can take a lot of different approaches, naturally.
This is excluding anyone who plays the King's Indian most of the time-- those players don't need a different approach against most of these openings.
I am referring to someone who plays the Nimzo Indian, just for example. That player would be ready for 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4, but what about 2. e3, 2. Bf4, 2. Nc3, etc.-- do you have a set way of meeting these openings, or do you just wing it depending on what White is up to?
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.e3
I like to play d6. The idea is 3.Bd3 e5. Black can either get in a quick e5 or play a modified King's Indian/Old Indian (Bg7 or Be7), where white has not made the best setup.
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 is one way to go. It usually transposes to a regular queen's indian. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b5 !? is also interesting.
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 h6 (gaining the two bishops) is fine for black.
As is 3. ... c5 4.c3 Qb6
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bf4 b6 (3. ... c5) is also a way to go.
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 can be met by a similar Queen's Indian setup (keep your eye out for a maneuver of cxd4 Nb4 Ba6 for black)
Also 3. ... d5 can be fine if you learn a line or two of the Colle.
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 (2. ... d6 is fine for Pirc defense players/ 2. ... e6 3.e4 d5 is a French Defense) 3.Bg5 Nbd7 is pretty good. 4.f3 c6 gets slightly complitated, but it is also fine for black.
A book that I bought years ago, was the Big Book Of Busts By Watson And Schiller.
It had a way to meet all the main line deviations for both colors.
It is a great book, but may be revised/changed now.
The best thing is to learn the goals of these openings and try to avoid them.
For instance the Colle is based on an e4 push and possibly a kingside attack (with the classical bishop sacrifice).
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 (Only if you don't mind the Queen's Gambit Declined) 3.e3 g6 is a nice setup that makes Bd3 not so good.
One idea of the Torre is to play 1.d4 Nf3 Bg5 e3 Bd3 Nbd2 Ne5 and f4 with a stonewall and kingside attack. Avoid the ready mate attack and you should be fine.
Sometimes I "wing it" and play different variations, just for variety.
Naturally, black can't force a win.
The trick is to get positions that you like/know how to play.
🙂
Edit If you like 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 h6 for black (two bishops less space versus full center ... equal), then you can meet 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 with 2. ... e6 3.e4 h6 as well. It usually transposes.
28 Nov 08
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsThanks paul for the reply-- that was the kind of move order info. I was curious about.
You can take a lot of different approaches, naturally.
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.e3
I like to play d6. The idea is 3.Bd3 e5. Black can either get in a quick e5 or play a modified King's Indian/Old Indian (Bg7 or Be7), where white has not made the best setup.
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 is one way to go. It usually transposes to a regular queen's indian. ...[text shortened]... then you can meet 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 with 2. ... e6 3.e4 h6 as well. It usually transposes.
I used to play those openings years ago, and now I'm trying to make a final choice as to what to play aginst 1. d4; also knowing I will meet those openings( 1. d4 sans c4) frequently and that I need to be ready for them! Similar to playing the Sicilian as Black and needing to be ready for many anti-Sicilian formations!
28 Nov 08
Originally posted by ericmittensThanks eric-- I am aware of the books and DVD's on this subject.
Andrew Martin came out with a chessbase DVD on d4 deviations not long ago. Might be worth a look.
http://www.classicalgames.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=002246&Category_Code=S
BTW, did you ever get that Nigel Davies' DVD on the English opening, and if so, what did you think about it?
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I got it awhile ago yea. It's crap 😛
No seriously, he leaves out a lot of important black lines and generally spends too little time explaining things. Buy Kosten's "Dynamic English" instead.
edit: If one good thing came out of buying that DVD it was Davies' advice to play the regular fiancetto king's indian as opposed to the botvinnik system. I've always had a hard time against the king's indian and Davies' advice finally pushed me to switch.