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... in this game?

Game 869380

I'm just having a gander back through my archives and I came across this game. I don't think I've ever played an opening game like it, and am looking for some commentary.

cheers,

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i don't like unusual openings they tend to throw me and i end up tying myself in knots, maybe he was trying to throw you, apparently after looking its called the Orang-Utan Opening or the polish, think i'll stick my ruy lopez

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I checked a couple of his other games (white's) , and he's used that opening before .. I've never seen it before

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
... in this game?

Game 869380

I'm just having a gander back through my archives and I came across this game. I don't think I've ever played an opening game like it, and am looking for some commentary.

cheers,

D
It's just a line of the polish. I think he should have played c4 earlier... but I don't know much about the opening.

Edit: Nice endgame.

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Originally posted by schakuhr
It's just a line of the polish. I think he should have played c4 earlier... but I don't know much about the opening.

Edit: Nice endgame.
Thanks, I thought I'd thrown away my advantage when he caught me snoozing with 37. Nc4.

It was a fun game, but I wasn't too happy with the major roll my King played from the early middle game on.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
Thanks, I thought I'd thrown away my advantage when he caught me snoozing with 37. Nc4.

It was a fun game, but I wasn't too happy with the major roll my King played from the early middle game on.

D
If this is an opening that your opponent plays often, then he clearly has a lot to learn still. Other than the surprise value, unusual openings do not tend to create better chances, unless one knows the finesses of the opening. I don't, nor does your opponent.

Your 36th move was a real blunder, indeed. Too greedy. But your opponent kept making bad moves, allowing you to regain advantage and the win.

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I have studied the lines for this one and it's quite tricky .
1. b4 e5 (1...e5 is a tactical blunder , most probably you need to play 1... e6 , then take the pawn , then play d6 and then e5.)
Otherwise , 1.b4 e5 2. Bb2 , then find a way to defend it , 2...Nc6 doesn't work becuase of 3.b5 and Black loses his e-pawn .
1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Qf6 (usually ) ,
3. Nf3 e4
5. Ng1 (if 5...Bxb4 then 6.Bxg7 .

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Originally posted by SicilianNajdorf
I have studied the lines for this one and it's quite tricky .
1. b4 e5 (1...e5 is a tactical blunder , most probably you need to play 1... e6 , then take the pawn , then play d6 and then e5.)
Otherwise , 1.b4 e5 2. Bb2 , then find a way to defend it , 2...Nc6 doesn't work becuase of 3.b5 and Black loses his e-pawn .
1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Qf6 (usually ) ,
3. Nf3 e4
5. Ng1 (if 5...Bxb4 then 6.Bxg7 .
Wow, we are learning here!

Tell us, what is wrong - a tactical blunder even! - with 1. ... e5? Played by 2600+ GM's (Bologan, Jussupov just to name two).

With 1. ... e6 on the other hand, I don't find convincing evidence.
Edited in: 1.b4 e6 and then take the pawn? 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.Bxg7 +/-

The most striking in your post is at the end "1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Qf6 (usually) 3.Nf3 etc...." 3.BxQ is not an option????

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
Wow, we are learning here!

Tell us, what is wrong - a tactical blunder even! - with 1. ... e5? Played by 2600+ GM's (Bologan, Jussupov just to name two).

With 1. ... e6 on the other hand, I don't find convincing evidence.
Edited in: 1.b4 e6 and then take the pawn? 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.Bxg7 +/-

The most striking in your post is at the end "1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Qf6 (usually) 3.Nf3 etc...." 3.BxQ is not an option????
Not unless the Bishop can jump over the pawn at e5.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Not unless the Bishop can jump over the pawn at e5.
.... which is the case in the Polish, isn't it 😉

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Originally posted by SicilianNajdorf
I have studied the lines for this one and it's quite tricky .
1. b4 e5 (1...e5 is a tactical blunder , most probably you need to play 1... e6 , then take the pawn , then play d6 and then e5.)
Otherwise , 1.b4 e5 2. Bb2 , then find a way to defend it , 2...Nc6 doesn't work becuase of 3.b5 and Black loses his e-pawn .
1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Qf6 (usually ) ,
3. Nf3 e4
5. Ng1 (if 5...Bxb4 then 6.Bxg7 .
Can you explain to me why 1. ...e5 is a tactical blunder?

2. ...f6 (I think you mean this instead of Qf6?) is pretty logical to me, black blocks the diagonal a1-h8, and also defends the pawn on e5. White's pawn on b4 is still en prise, and he'll have to do something about that on the next move.

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Originally posted by schakuhr
Can you explain to me why 1. ...e5 is a tactical blunder?

2. ...f6 (I think you mean this instead of Qf6?) is pretty logical to me, black blocks the diagonal a1-h8, and also defends the pawn on e5. White's pawn on b4 is still en prise, and he'll have to do something about that on the next move.
I like 2 ..... d6 followed by 3 ..... g6 with a counter fianchetto; never much liked moving my f-pawn as Black that early. And as White is obviously going to have to castle King-side, you shouldn't have to worry about early King side pawn storms.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
Wow, we are learning here!

Tell us, what is wrong - a tactical blunder even! - with 1. ... e5? Played by 2600+ GM's (Bologan, Jussupov just to name two).

With 1. ... e6 on the other hand, I don't find convincing evidence.
Edited in: 1.b4 e6 and then take the pawn? 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.Bxg7 +/-

The most striking in your post is at the end "1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 Qf6 (usually) 3.Nf3 etc...." 3.BxQ is not an option????
I thought that the most striking thing about the analysis was that move 4 was left out entirely. Obviously, another blunder playing move 4.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
And as White is obviously going to have to castle King-side, you shouldn't have to worry about early King side pawn storms.
Me neither normally, but his e pawn hadn't been moved, so it seemed safe enough.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
I like 2 ..... d6 followed by 3 ..... g6 with a counter fianchetto; never much liked moving my f-pawn as Black that early.
I think the game would then become a strange sort of kings indian. (If white continues with e4 anytime soon.)

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