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Ravello
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Game 571345I watched again the game and I was wondering how I could win this one,but I need your help.......
The first (?) mistake was 15 Bg3,Bd2 was better and saves the pawn;another cervellotic move was certainly 26 Nf3 in e5,watching it now I simply can't understand why I did it.........
Here ends my poor analysis skill and begins your,please tell me.

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Ok, now hindsight being 20/20... and realizing that I haven't done particularly well against either you or becdude:

26. Bg3h4 to threaten the d8 rook... who will have pretty much his only recourse as b8... then
27. Bh4e7

that's the best I can offer... hope it helps.

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Oh, forgot to mention... if you made that move at 26 and then he Bd7xa4 to double threaten, you make the trade Qd1xa4, Rd8xd6 and then Bh4e7 and you've got him again...

Hmmm... well after Qd1xa4 he could always Nb4d3 but then you take at Be7d6 and you get a free rook...

Let me see... anything else? I think that's it... Of course, if I DID miss something, I fall back on the fact that either Ravello or becdude could (and have) kicked my butt...

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To me, Move 3 should have been Nf3. Would have prevented the queen from coming out and reinforced your queen pawn's center spot.

After the queen comes out, it screams Nf3.

Without Nf3, the games seems to go downhill as black takes control of the game.

Just my $0.02.

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Originally posted by Saint Nick
To me, Move 3 should have been Nf3. Would have prevented the queen from coming out and reinforced your queen pawn's center spot.

After the queen comes out, it screams Nf3.

Without Nf3, the games seems to go downhill as black takes control of the game.

Just my $0.02.
Ok, now here's a learning opportunity for me... wouldn't Nf3 simply have led to a freebie at Qh4xe4? Please lead dumb horse to water and explain how that works... Actually I kinda liked Rav's opening.

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Thank you guys this is really helpful!
Hey Dec,I guess in your first post you meant Bg3h4 to threaten the d8 rook,right? however your analisis shows that I missed a good line.
Saint,I didn't Nf3 because of Qxe4,losing the king's pawn.......yes,then I would gained tempos but I preferred to keep that pawn alive.

Edit:I was writing this so I didn't see Decanter's post...........

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Yeah Rav... sorry, I get my letters and numbers mixed up sometimes... the d8 rook is what I meant and I edited the post to reflect my intent.

I went back to that move at 26 mostly because there was something itching me about that bishop sitting there not contributing...

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Yes, the bishop move on 26 looks good. You are a pawn down but with more active pieces on move 26. so at all costs you shouldn't let him exchange pieces because his pawn advantage will begin to tell.

EDIT: I'd correct this but I'm stunned from the wet kipper I've been bashing myself with. See decanter's post below.

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I see an opportunity at move 15,instead of your 15.Bg3 you could have tried 15.Be4,a possible line would be:
15.Be4,a6 16.Bxd4,Qxd4 17.Qxd4,exd4 18.Re1+,Be6 19.Nbd4 with a good position.You can get rid of black's bishoppair and being a piece up you should have an easy win.

Sir lot.

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with regard to iamatiger... he's not down a pawn, he exchanged two pawns for the queen's knight... he's actually up a piece.

with regard to losealot... well, he gets his rating by thinking things through more than i do... i'm still looking at his recommendation to understand all the options... wowsers...

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
I see an opportunity at move 15,instead of your 15.Bg3 you could have tried 15.Be4,a possible line would be:
15.Be4,a6 16.Bxd4,Qxd4 17.Qxd4,exd4 18.Re1+,Be6 19.Nbd4 with a good position.You can get rid of black's bishoppair and being a piece up you should have an easy win.

Sir lot.
Thanks Sir,it was a damn good way to keep pieces in active positions,exchanging queens(always to do when a piece up) and doubling black pawns............you confused me a little because you wrote 6Bxd4,etc, when it was all in d5!

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Originally posted by Ravello
Thanks Sir,it was a damn good way to keep pieces in active positions,exchanging queens(always to do when a piece up) and doubling black pawns............you confused me a little because you wrote 6Bxd4,etc, when it was all in d5!
Oops,yes,the exchanges take place on d5,not d4,sorry about that.
It's just an idea though,didn't look too deep into it,for instance,black doesn't have to exchange pieces,but it looked good to me no matter what black would reply.

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Originally posted by Decanter
Ok, now here's a learning opportunity for me... wouldn't Nf3 simply have led to a freebie at Qh4xe4? Please lead dumb horse to water and explain how that works... Actually I kinda liked Rav's opening.
I meant Nf3 on move 2, then push the quenn pawn. It would have prevented the queen from ever coming out.

I think on move 3,4, or 5, Nf3 would have still have been a decent move. While losing the pawn, he gains quite a bit of development and tempo. I think it's easier to deveolp when you have a queen in the middle of the board to chase around. 😛

I think his opponent possibly would have passed on the free pawn due to the development disadvantage.

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Maybe there was a good reason for your knight move at 29. But if there wasn't, I would have been tempted to move the king's rook pawn forward to provide an escape hatch for your bishop--given that your king's bishop pawn was pinned.

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37/38/39 was a clever sequence by you, if you were operating on the idea that a knight's pawn is worth more than a rook's pawn.

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