When is a game a draw?

Besides a stalemate, when do two players realize that the game will be a draw? I'm not talking about two kings on the board only, or king an bishop only, just the type of game where 30 moves in, so many pieces on the board, both players realise that the struggle is in vain? Is there a rule of thumb to be used?

Originally posted by DOlivier2004
Besides a stalemate, when do two players realize that the game will be a draw? I'm not talking about two kings on the board only, or king an bishop only, just the type of game where 30 moves in, so many pieces on the board, both players realise that the struggle is in vain? Is there a rule of thumb to be used?

If no move by either side can improve the position and give winning chances to that side, it's a draw.

Originally posted by Grayeyesofsorrow
When you have no good moves left and they dont either. Say all the pieces are on their best squares, the only thing you can really move is pawns or the king back and forth. If either side moves a pawn then that side would get doubled pawns and a worse position. I know thats basic, but thats basicly what it is :-)

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
If you have no good moves you are in zugzwang. However if you have waiting moves then use them. Doesn't automatically mean you should draw. If you have waiting moves and the opponent doesn't then play on.
I'll agree to a draw if I can see that the game will lead to a drawn position either by insuffient material or stalemate or perpetual check. If it le ...[text shortened]... ame mistake.
Of course if my opponent offers one and I feel I'm losing of course I'll accept.

At this level of play, there is no sense in taking draws if there is ANY game left. The games are for fun and for the learning experience. IM Jeremy Silman recommended never taking draws "unless you feel you stand considerably worse"