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when will it become important?

when will it become important?

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ok, so I've been thinking, and I thought
wow, i'm not going to erase that...
redundancy at it's finest

anyway...
I am considering playing 1. a3 at an upcoming tournament...
I have found that I do not yet know how to take advantage of white's starting initiative... and that I generally play better as black...
I want to play 1. a3 so that I can play my Caro-Kann (if 1. ... e5) without wasting a move preventing a queen/bishop check on b4
haven't decided yet, but I want to see when this will be bad
for example, at the current level I play at, 1400-ish OTB, the iniative really isn't that important...
Question being: at what rating do players really starting some positive effects from that 1 half move advantage?

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That's hard to quantify, but looking at a lot of games on RHP, the club and other sites, I start to see players capitalizing on sub-pawn advantages somewhere around 1900 or so. That's a bit arbitrary, but on average you see 1900+ games start to become less about advantages worth a pawn or more, and those are usually because they lost a pawn or worse.

That said, I don't think the idea of simply throwing away the small advantage makes any sense; after all, chess is about accumulating advantages. If you had the initiative, more active pieces, better pawn structure, etc. you'd have a substantial advantage. Why throw any part of it away? Use the initiative to get your pieces active and work from there.

IMO

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So you just want to throw away the first move initiative?

I really really think thats a bad idea.

But see if it works out, save some of the games you play like that i would love to see what happens.

Good luck lol

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I've been tempted to play 1...f5 in response to White's 1. e4 in OTB games but I haven't gotten the courage to do it yet. I've won many games on RHP and other sites with this opening as Black.

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
ok, so I've been thinking, and I thought
wow, i'm not going to erase that...
redundancy at it's finest

anyway...
I am considering playing 1. a3 at an upcoming tournament...
I have found that I do not yet know how to take advantage of white's starting initiative... and that I generally play better as black...
I want to play 1. a3 so that I can pla ...[text shortened]... t rating do players really starting some positive effects from that 1 half move advantage?
IF you really want to play the Caro, why not just start out c3, d4?
Not only can black not prevent these moves, but you might actually be a move ahead of your usual development.

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Originally posted by Deity
So you just want to throw away the first move initiative?

I really really think thats a bad idea.

But see if it works out, save some of the games you play like that i would love to see what happens.

Good luck lol
Speaking of giving away the initiative, I was reading over an old game last night between St. Amant and Staunton. In this game (as was common practice in Europe at the time), the first move was decided by a coin toss, regardless of color. St. Amant had Black and move, and Staunton worked it into a Tarrasch Defense with the colors reversed. Anyway, just thought the practice was interesting.

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Being the commander of the black pieces is not unsound, so 1. a3 can't be unsound either. It's usually a good move.

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No, it is not really a good move, but sometimes you can take advantage of it.

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The good thing about 1 a3 is that you can cut your opening study time in half! No need to study White for the rest of your life!

I like the French and the Tartakower Defenses, so I often open with 1 e3 and 2 d4 against virtually any Black setup.

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The best rationale I've seen for 1 a3 was to play the Sicilian with colours reversed against 1 ... e5 eg 1 a3 e5 2 c4 Nf6 3 d3 d5 4 cd5 Nxd5 5 Nf3 Nc6 and it's a Najdorf - with an extra move!



It is harder to do the same against 1 ... d5 with such effect, but it must be possible.[

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the opening is a fight for the center not who can make the most unsound moves...

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Originally posted by kmac27
the opening is a fight for the center not who can make the most unsound moves...
how is 1. a3 unsound?
it violates EVERY principle of the opening, but like gaychessplayer said...
it cuts study time in half...
when/if I get good enough, say the 1900 bar someone mentioned, I can start playing 1. e4 again, move on to 1. d4 , 1. c4 or even the 1. c3 someone mentioned...

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First, saying you have to be such level before you can play 1.e4 or 1.c4 is stupid.

Second, 1. a3 makes it easier for your opponent, not you.

Third, if you want to improve, then avoiding your problems is not going to help you at all.

It is understandable that you don't want to walk into someone's opening preparation, but let me tell you a secret. They are just as clueless as you.

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
how is 1. a3 unsound?
it violates EVERY principle of the opening, but like gaychessplayer said...
it cuts study time in half...
when/if I get good enough, say the 1900 bar someone mentioned, I can start playing 1. e4 again, move on to 1. d4 , 1. c4 or even the 1. c3 someone mentioned...
Once you're about 1600/1700 and people stop dropping pieces so often you'll find that center control can be important...

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Originally posted by Zander 88
First, saying you have to be such level before you can play 1.e4 or 1.c4 is stupid.

Second, 1. a3 makes it easier for your opponent, not you.

Third, if you want to improve, then avoiding your problems is not going to help you at all.

It is understandable that you don't want to walk into someone's opening preparation, but let me tell you a secret. They are just as clueless as you.
They are just as clueless as you.

This is so true...