Where Have You Been My Whole Life?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Let's avoid the personal insults. My point is that 3...f5 is a known variation in the standard response to the Ruy Lopez. It even has a name, the Schliemann Defense. Even though you don't see it every day, it hardly rates a "wow." Our Games Explorer, quoting Wikipedia, refers to it as "somewhat dubious." Well, maybe. Rahim, with all due respect, I think we're surprised because you're surprised. 🙂

I know about it but never tried it before. I've seen a few lectures about.

I've been trying out different openings for Black after 1.e4.

Caro, Pirc, French, everything including 1.e4 Nc6

But I enjoy playing 1.e4 e5 the most but the Ruy Lopez is the diffucult to face and most players play that.

This is Spicy though! Better try some blitz games before making up my mind 🙂 You gotta use blitz properly. Use it for a purpose instead of mindlessly playing game after game with no purpose.

Schliemann sucks. I played it couple years ago and all my opponents knew the mainline (which practically makes it refuted) and I had to fight for draw.
Also it was played in da movie "Search Bobby Fischer"

Originally posted by Jusuh
Schliemann sucks. I played it couple years ago and all my opponents knew the mainline (which practically makes it refuted) and I had to fight for draw.
Also it was played in da movie "Search Bobby Fischer"

What mainline? I've seen some great games in the db.

Maybe they were booked up? I doubt ppl would be booked up for me this early ahah.

Originally posted by RahimK
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5

Spicy!@

[fen]r1bqkbnr/pppp2pp/2n5/1B2pp2/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq f6 0 4[/fen]

Has the Wow factor also. I wonder how many OTB player would be prepared for this. Hm...

After 4.d3 white avoids sharpest lines with more comfortable position. Black need to play very accurate - otherwise white will be able to get large advantage.

My comment about OTB players is probably a trifle paranoid. I definitely picked up some sarcasistic cracks at another site. The main point being OTB players don't play as well as correspondence players. No offense taken and none intended. I won't wish you good luck. I doubt you need it; so, good hunting......

Originally posted by Korch
After 4.d3 white avoids sharpest lines with more comfortable position. Black need to play very accurate - otherwise white will be able to get large advantage.

Care to explain further? I'm just expirementing with this and still not familiar.

Originally posted by Evil Pawn 666
My comment about OTB players is probably a trifle paranoid. I definitely picked up some sarcasistic cracks at another site. The main point being OTB players don't play as well as correspondence players. No offense taken and none intended. I won't wish you good luck. I doubt you need it; so, good hunting......

HEHE... I sort of pick up a bit of jealousy. Of course if I couldn't play OTB, I would be jealous also.

And I think OTB players play CC really well as long as they use the resources given to them. Otherwise, it's just a handicap game.

I know some OTB players play on here like OTB, with no extra help. Depends why you are on the site. I came here to practise the openings and planning thus I use db's and then use that skill in OTB. Eventually the opening moves and ideas get locked into memory 🙂

Originally posted by RahimK
[b]1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5

Spicy!@

[fen]r1bqkbnr/pppp2pp/2n5/1B2pp2/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq f6 0 4[/fen]

Has the Wow factor also. I wonder how many OTB player would be prepared for this. Hm...

An Ulster player, Tom Clarke, who died recently, used to whip this out with regularity.

Originally posted by RahimK
Care to explain further? I'm just expirementing with this and still not familiar.

I dont know much about the d3 line , but I always thought one of the main ideas is to play Qe2 and after the pawn exchange on e4 it will become hard for black to put the black coloured bishop on an active square and castle short, since Bc5 and 0-0 runs into Qc4+
Off course black can play d6 but locking in ones bishop might not be very appealing to the adventureous Schliemann player.

edit: how the hell do you spell adventureous?

Originally posted by RahimK
Care to explain further? I'm just expirementing with this and still not familiar.

After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.d3 black have three main options - 4...d6, 4...Nf6 and 4...fxe4.

I
4...d6 5.0-0 Nf6 6.Nc3 (6.exf5 Bxf5 7.d4! += is also good for white) Be7 7.d4! 0-0 (7...fxe4?! 8.dxe5! +/- ) 8.dxe5 Nxe5 (8...dxe5?! 9.Qe2 Nd4 10.Nxd4 exd4 11.Rd1 +/-) 9.Nxe5 dxe5 10.Qe2 (with idea of Rd1) +=

II
4...Nf6 5.exf5 Ne7 (Alternatives are: 1) 5....Bc5 6.0-0 0-0 7.Be3 +/-; 2) 5...d6 6.d4 Bxf5 {6...e4 7.Nh4 +=} 7.0-0 += ; 3) 5...Be7 6.d4 += ) 6.0-0 c6 7.Bc4 d6 (7...d5!? might be playable too - 8.Bb3 Nxf5 9.Nxe5 Bd6 10.Nf3 0-0 with some compensation for pawn, but anyway - after 11.Nc3 I would rate this position as +=) 8.Re1 Bxf5 9.Bg5 Qd7 10.Nc3 +=

III
4....fxe4 (the most popular response) 5.dxe4 Nf6 (5....d6?! 6.0-0 Nf6 7.Nc3 Be7 8.Qd3! +/- ) 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Qd3 d6 ( 7...Bxc3+? 8.bxc3 and two white bishops give large advantage for white) 8.Bd2 +=

Originally posted by Korch
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.d3 black have three main options - 4...d6, 4...Nf6 and 4...fxe4.

I
4...d6 5.0-0 Nf6 6.Nc3 (6.exf5 Bxf5 7.d4! += is also good for white) Be7 7.d4! 0-0 (7...fxe4?! 8.dxe5! +/- ) 8.dxe5 Nxe5 (8...dxe5?! 9.Qe2 Nd4 10.Nxd4 exd4 11.Rd1 +/-) 9.Nxe5 dxe5 10.Qe2 (with idea of Rd1) +=

II
4...Nf6 5.exf5 Ne7 (Alternatives are: 1 ...[text shortened]... b4 7.Qd3 d6 ( 7...Bxc3+? 8.bxc3 and two white bishops gives large advantage for white) 8.Bd2 +=

wow,impressive, so i take it you can destroy it?🙂

Originally posted by Korch
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 4.d3 black have three main options - 4...d6, 4...Nf6 and 4...fxe4.

I
4...d6 5.0-0 Nf6 6.Nc3 (6.exf5 Bxf5 7.d4! += is also good for white) Be7 7.d4! 0-0 (7...fxe4?! 8.dxe5! +/- ) 8.dxe5 Nxe5 (8...dxe5?! 9.Qe2 Nd4 10.Nxd4 exd4 11.Rd1 +/-) 9.Nxe5 dxe5 10.Qe2 (with idea of Rd1) +=

II
4...Nf6 5.exf5 Ne7 (Alternatives are: 1 ...[text shortened]... b4 7.Qd3 d6 ( 7...Bxc3+? 8.bxc3 and two white bishops gives large advantage for white) 8.Bd2 +=

Interesting... I wonder how many ppl actually know these lines though...Must be a decent varation in blitz with quicker timers 🙂

I'll give it a try.

Thanks.

Originally posted by jvanhine
wow,impressive, so i take it you can destroy it?🙂

I did not say that I can destroy it. But I`m pretty sure that i can get some opening advantage (but it`s not 100% guarantee for win).

Originally posted by Korch
I dod not say that I can destroy it. But I`m pretty sure that i can get some opening advantage (but it`s not 100% guarantee for win).

oh, i see, cough* korch-northern lad? cough*

did i say something? 😛

Originally posted by jvanhine
oh, i see, cough* korch-northern lad? cough*

did i say something? 😛

Due to my tournaments I have too large gameload 🙁