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Originally posted by Romanticus
That would make a good T-shirt print.

"You may take my queen but you'll never get my dragon bishop!"
i know even the name is cool, hyper accelerated dragon, it seems like the white will get hit by some particle accelerator of a chess variation, and the resultant collision will change the dynamic energy of the opening into something tangible, compare that with say, the English opening, and the later palls into insignificance. (actually i would love to play the English opening, but its difficult to overcome such national prejudice). you must help me by telling me why i should play the English opening. 🙂

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you must help me by telling me why i should play the English opening. 🙂
well, you could think of it as taking their opening and shafting them with it. 🙂


(I'd buy that t-hirt btw, so get cracking with it!)

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I know hardly any Sicilian theory (because I play proper openings like the Morra) but what I do know is that anything that begins "hyper..." or "accelerated..." tends to be rather dull & drawish however exciting it may sound.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i know even the name is cool, hyper accelerated dragon, it seems like the white will get hit by some particle accelerator of a chess variation, and the resultant collision will change the dynamic energy of the opening into something tangible, compare that with say, the English opening, and the later palls into insignificance. (actually i would love ...[text shortened]... h national prejudice). you must help me by telling me why i should play the English opening. 🙂
You could deploy the english opening and constantly lose to show them how much they suck 😛

Or play it and win because Mikhail Tal used it too.What's good enough for Tal is good enough for every chessplayer 🙂

Or just play 1.e4 avoiding the problem alltogether 😀

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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
I know hardly any Sicilian theory (because I play proper openings like the Morra) but what I do know is that anything that begins "hyper..." or "accelerated..." tends to be rather dull & drawish however exciting it may sound.
proper openings like the Morra, ahahahahahahhahahahahahaha! what will you do if black refuses to take your d pawn?

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Originally posted by wormwood
well, you could think of it as taking their opening and shafting them with it. 🙂


(I'd buy that t-hirt btw, so get cracking with it!)
you would buy it?, mmmm, there could be an opening here!🙂

i know any player of the polar bear could appreciate a dark squared fianchettoed (spelling?) bishop!

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Originally posted by Romanticus
You could deploy the english opening and constantly lose to show them how much they suck 😛

Or play it and win because Mikhail Tal used it too.What's good enough for Tal is good enough for every chessplayer 🙂

Or just play 1.e4 avoiding the problem alltogether 😀
i really fancy the idea of a reversed hyper accelerated dragon, also known as the English opening, i think. 1.c4, g3 and Bg2, or is it the Reti opening 1.g3 , Bg2, c4, i bet one could have lots of fun with that!😵

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We read it but we canna believe it.

Robbie, King of the Scots, is going to play the English Opening.

What next Robbie?

Lemonade in the whisky, sugar on the porridge,.....?

And it was posted on the 3rd of May of all days.

(The Battle of Bannockburn was fought on the 3rd May 1314.)











Ok that was a wee lie. But Bing Crosby was born on the 3rd May 1903

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you definitely can have a lot of fun with the English, I always play it, and I can pretty much say it rocks, perhaps it's not the strongest oppening but it just gives you so many alternatives that it always gets you into exciting games

i play 1.c4, Nc3, g3, Bg2

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
proper openings like the Morra, ahahahahahahhahahahahahaha! what will you do if black refuses to take your d pawn?
I have +62% with the Morra. What's wrong with that?

Black almost always takes with 2...cxd4. If not White immediately gets a decent game after, for instance 2...e6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d5! exd5 5.exd5 Qe7+ 6.Be2
If Black declines to take on c3 with 3...d3 then White can recapture the pawn at his leisure, develop routinely & also has the chance to put a bind on the d5 square with c3/c4 advance.

The toughest tests for White in the Morra come when the gambit is accepted.

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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
I have +62% with the Morra. What's wrong with that?

Black almost always takes with 2...cxd4. If not White immediately gets a decent game after, for instance 2...e6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d5! exd5 5.exd5 Qe7+ 6.Be2
If Black declines to take on c3 with 3...d3 then White can recapture the pawn at his leisure, develop routinely & also has the chance to put a bin ...[text shortened]... h c3/c4 advance.

The toughest tests for White in the Morra come when the gambit is accepted.
Squelch i got a serious question to ask in this regard, or with gambits in general, for I have been studying some Morphy games, in which the master is very adept at getting a lead in development, even with black he manages to somehow sacrifice a timely pawn which ultimately leads to an advantage in development.

The question is this, that OTB this seems an excellent strategy, however, in correspondence games where our opponent has more time to think and thus deeply analyze the position, a gambit may not be such a good idea, as time for an adequate defense may be found. what do you think in this regard, are Gambits like the Morra which tries to give up material for the sake of development a good idea in correspondence chess, or does it not really matter.

P.S. yes 62% is awesome, please i was just messing - kind regards Robbie.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...however, in correspondence games where our opponent has more time to think and thus deeply analyze the position, a gambit may not be such a good idea, as time for an adequate defense may be found. what do you think in this regard, are Gambits like the Morra which tries to give up material for the sake of development a good idea in correspondence chess, or does it not really matter...
In CC it depends on who has the best resources & makes best use of them.
I use opening-specific books, such as The Modern Morra Gambit by Langrock. As he mentions throughout this work, the author carefully studied various lines with both Mega Base 2005 & Mega Corr 3 databases then double-checked with Fritz.

I also play the Latvian Gambit & in Kosten's The Latvian Gambit Lives he also states that he checked each line with Chessbase & Fritz.

Nigel Davies used the same methods for his opening works.

Virtually all modern openings book authors use this system. So it really comes down to who has the best CC resources, because even in dubious gambit openings, providing the gambiteer plays these sharp lines accurately he should stand on reasonably firm ground.

Often your opponent will have little knowledge of these openings & certainly no specialist books, so they are blindly punching-in moves from a database. We all know how untrustworthy those can be if proper care isn't used.

Despite hundreds of years of analysis, there is still no refutation of the King's Gambit or the Evans (2 of Morphy's favourite weapons) despite the age of computer analysis.
Although a newer idea, the mainline Morra also has absolutely no refutation, so there really is no problem in playing these games in CC.

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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
I have +62% with the Morra. What's wrong with that?

Black almost always takes with 2...cxd4. If not White immediately gets a decent game after, for instance 2...e6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d5! exd5 5.exd5 Qe7+ 6.Be2
If Black declines to take on c3 with 3...d3 then White can recapture the pawn at his leisure, develop routinely & also has the chance to put a bin ...[text shortened]... h c3/c4 advance.

The toughest tests for White in the Morra come when the gambit is accepted.
Black may decline to take on c3 with 3...Nf6.

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Originally posted by Cimon
Black may decline to take on c3 with 3...Nf6.
If you play the Morra you also have to learn some c3 Sicilian theory.
Although the positions are often very different to a Morra accepted game, White should have no problems creating reasonable chances.
Here is a game demonstrating superb play from White:

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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
If you play the Morra you also have to learn some c3 Sicilian theory.
Although the positions are often very different to a Morra accepted game, White should have no problems creating reasonable chances.
Here is a game demonstrating superb play from White:

[pgn][Event "Cvitanovic mem 5th"] [Site "Split"] [Date "2000.04.27"] [Round "4"] [White "Zelic Bd6 48.Rc8 Qe6 49.Qa1+ Qf6 50.Qa5 Qf7 51.Qd8 Kh6 52.Qh8+ Qh7 53.Qd4 1-0[/pgn]
The game demonstrates weak play from Black after having almost winning position - after 22 moves Black had 2 minor pieces for rook and passed pawn could be blocked.