02 May 09
Originally posted by ArrakIf you like White's position most of the time then why not pick one where you don't like White's position.
which sicilian is the most aggressive for black. i find i really like whites position in the sicilian most of the time. which sicilian gives black the edge? and if i did play that variation what are some sub variations i would have to learn?
I think the accelerated dragon is the sharpest.Not sure though,I don't play the black side of sicilians.
1.e4,e5! best by test 😉
02 May 09
if you want something aggressive, the accelerated dragon, definitely...
but at a certain level, it becomes hard for black...
if you want something strange, play the sveshnikov (my love). (1.e4 c5 2. Cf3 Cc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Cxd4 Cf6 5. Cc3 e5 6. Cb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8. Ca3 b5 (or 8. Bxf6 gxf6 and then 9. Ca3 b5 )
02 May 09
I'd suggest the Dragon (not accelerated). The accelerated dragon and you'll be playing against the Maroczy bind a lot, which I don't find particularly pleasant. The mainline of the Dragon is the Yugoslav attack which I find to be loads of fun from either side.
To start out playing the dragon one really only needs to study two things: Yugoslav attack with 9.O-O-O and the attack with 9.Bc4. Normal development against the classical variation should get you a playable game.
More information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Defence,_Dragon_Variation
While I'm at it, this is an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Defence
According to wiki, the sicilian defense was considered inferior at the start of the century. Anyone know more about the development of this opening? I find it intriguing.
02 May 09
Originally posted by Arrakthe dragon (not hyperaccelerated) is probably the most agressive. which also means it's more prone to self-destruction if black doesn't know what he's doing. no free lunch, everything comes with a price.
which sicilian is the most aggressive for black. i find i really like whites position in the sicilian most of the time. which sicilian gives black the edge? and if i did play that variation what are some sub variations i would have to learn?
all of them give black the edge if white knows less theory. if both know theory equally it'll be about equal, and if white knows more he gets the edge. that's how it is with any opening, there are no magic bullets. -although some bullets may suit your personality better than others, and that's where the choice comes into picture.
white doesn't get to choose which sicilian black plays, you need to learn all of them, or avoid them altogether by playing some anti-sicilian. many people do the latter, as they can't deal with the amount of theory.
02 May 09
Originally posted by wormwoodand what is wrong with the hyper accelerated dragon my friend, apart from the fact that it does not officially exist, and how is it less aggressive than the accelerated dragon? also here is a little piece that shows what can happen when one knows absolutely no theory! he may just be able to beat a grandmaster, 🙂
the dragon (not hyperaccelerated) is probably the most agressive. which also means it's more prone to self-destruction if black doesn't know what he's doing. no free lunch, everything comes with a price.
all of them give black the edge if white knows less theory. if both know theory equally it'll be about equal, and if white knows more he gets the edge. ...[text shortened]... anti-sicilian. many people do the latter, as they can't deal with the amount of theory.
originaly posted by exigentsky
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_true_combat/040528_hw_bt_gm_04.html
02 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieabsolutely nothing wrong with it. if you're fine with getting a maroczy bind and most likely a dead stale game. it's just not very aggressive if it allows that kind of a response. 🙂
and what is wrong with the hyper accelerated dragon my friend, apart from the fact that it does not officially exist, and how is it less aggressive than the accelerated dragon? also here is a little piece that shows what can happen when one knows absolutely no theory! he may just be able to beat a grandmaster, 🙂
originaly posted by exigentsky
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_true_combat/040528_hw_bt_gm_04.html
that said, I don't know much anything about accelerated dragons. 🙂
02 May 09
Originally posted by wormwoodmmm, tis very interesting indeed wormwood, I wonder if I have understood this opening myself, after 1.e4 c5, 2.Nf3 g6, 3.d4, white can play c4 with a bind, is this what we are referring to?
absolutely nothing wrong with it. if you're fine with getting a maroczy bind and most likely a dead stale game. it's just not very aggressive if it allows that kind of a response. 🙂
that said, I don't know much anything about accelerated dragons. 🙂
I did , i am sure have a Andrew Martin video presentation of this somewhere, but for the life of me i cannot find it, i will keep looking, for if my memory serves me correctly, there are ways of playing against the bind, but i cannot be certain at this stage - regards robbie. 🙂
02 May 09
Sooner or later all chess players find out that if they want an edge with black, they're going to have to fight for it. The Sicilian is so popular because it gives black a good chance to do that. I'm sure you'll get a lot of suggestions about which line to play, but experimenting for yourself is probably the only way to find a good fit. Hope you like to study. There's a lot of theory out there.
02 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyep. of course there are ways to play against maroczy bind, but it's still a bit of a problem if you're looking for mayhem. with dragon it tends to be mayhem every time, kill or get killed. 🙂
mmm, tis very interesting indeed wormwood, I wonder if I have understood this opening myself, after 1.e4 c5, 2.Nf3 g6, 3.d4, white can play c4 with a bind, is this what we are referring to?
I did , i am sure have a Andrew Martin video presentation of this somewhere, but for the life of me i cannot find it, i will keep looking, for if my memory ser ...[text shortened]... are ways of playing against the bind, but i cannot be certain at this stage - regards robbie. 🙂
Originally posted by ArrakH Arak
which sicilian is the most aggressive for black. i find i really like whites position in the sicilian most of the time. which sicilian gives black the edge? and if i did play that variation what are some sub variations i would have to learn?
"which sicilian gives black the edge? "
If there was such a thing then 1.e4 would be out of business.
I looked at a few of your games.
You are doing OK without stuffing opening moves into your head.
Your opening is not a cause for alarm.
Your play in in this game v Westside Mobster is nigh perfect. Excellent.
OK he blundered into a mate. But this does make YOU a bad player
and certainly no cause to rush out and buy some opening book that
may and is often the case, curb your natural development.
Get a book on simple middle game tactics to give you some teeth
and ideas and a book(s) that explain in a simple manner how a
game of chess is played.
Logical Chess by Chernev
Most Instructive Games of Chess by Chernev
Two of the best books chess books ever written for your class of player.
Alarm Bells
No sense of danger. This will come only with playing. The more you play
the more you will develop this '6th sense' that tells you.
"watch it....you are wandering in blunder land."
Have to remind you of this game v uioso.
A good game with a perfect opening ruined by a one move stupid blunder.
You must get those of out your system before you go running off
to your book store buying books on the opening.
Yes there were one of two slack moves but no opening book will help
there. That was a good game till you lemoned.
Remember this position?
You played 24.cxb5? and lost your Queen.
Instead 24.Nxg7 Kxg7 25,Bd4+ Nf6 26.Rh3
Qh6+ is coming Black's is looking doomed.
I've yet to see an opening book that will eradicate that type of blunder.
Recap:
Your opening play is OK, infact very impressive considering your grade.
(wish you were one of my students, I'm busting my nuts trying to get
them to play the opening like you)
Do yourself a big favour. Get those books, read those books.
It's not work, you will enjoy every page.
Wait till you are about 1600/1700 - very easy if you stop blundering and
are backed up with some tactical ability.
By then you will have developed a 'style.' find a player who has a
similiar style and nick his opening rep. (I stole John Nunn's).
Then you can start to fine tune your opening.
Until then: Look at the board before you press 'send' it will tell you
what the position is like with your opponent to move.
and check all checks. Good Luck.
03 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI play the hyperaccelerated, but I wuss out and transpose to the accelerated 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 🙁
forget them woosie Sicilians, the super duper ultra mega hyper accelerated dragon is what you wanna play. 1.e4 c5, 2.Nf3 g6, its sharper than a two edged sword and not for the faint hearted! 🙂
03 May 09
3 edits
Originally posted by chesskid001Lol, it takes nerves of steel and a stout resolve to refrain from taking that d pawn, but black need not fear my trusty friend, ...Qb6 or ...Qa5 solves everything, infact in most of the games i have played i have flaunted every conceivable opening principle known to man, e.g. i have refused to castle early and begin the attack, i have brought my queen out early and dangled it before my opponent like a huge worm on a hook, i have committed my bishop to g7 without taking my opponents plans into consideration, i have neglected development in the pursuit of material and pawns at that, i have deliberately entered these games knowing absolutely zero theory, the less the better!
I play the hyperaccelerated, but I wuss out and transpose to the accelerated 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 🙁
all in all, its pure sacrilege of all the chess fundamentals that i have ever learned, and what is more, i plan to publish my findings for the sake of greenpwans students, to free them from illusion and lead them astray like the pied piper of Hamlin, to a mountain of sheer tactical delight!
the accelerated dragon is for wussies like ~Tony~ Benoni, the Scheveningen for philosophers and natural thinkers like Black beetle, the classical Sicilian for devout students of the game like our American friend Paulbuchmanfromfics, however, the hyper accelerated Nessie variation is for warriors and free men like you and I, 'they may take our queen but they will never take our dark squared dragon bishop!'🙂
03 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat would make a good T-shirt print.
Lol, it takes nerves of steel and a stout resolve to refrain from taking that d pawn, but black need not fear my trusty friend, ...Qb6 or ...Qa5 solves everything, infact in most of the games i have played i have flaunted every conceivable opening principle known to man, e.g. i have refused to castle early and begin the attack, i have brought my quee ...[text shortened]... ou and I, 'they may take our queen but they will never take our dark squared dragon bishop!'🙂
"You may take my queen but you'll never get my dragon bishop!"