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  1. 15 Sep '10 10:47
    does having the white square on whites right really matter?
  2. 15 Sep '10 10:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by moggybogg
    does having the white square on whites right really matter?
    Yes, otherwise you play a different game than chess.
  3. 15 Sep '10 11:24
    the pieces start still relative to each other and move the same

    i dont see the difference
  4. 15 Sep '10 12:02
    Originally posted by moggybogg
    does having the white square on whites right really matter?
    Technically, it doesn't matter, as long as the pieces are set up correctly (queen and king not reversed). However, players might get confused if they are expecting certain squares to be of a certain color.

    FIDE Article 7.1 addresses the issue. If the mistake is discovered during a game, the game continues, but the position reached must be transferred to a correctly placed chessboard.
  5. 15 Sep '10 12:05
    You are right that you could imagine it both ways (or have blue and pink squares for that matter). The difference is that one is according to today's rules, the other isn't.
  6. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    15 Sep '10 13:09
    I would play the Trompowski since I have a dislike for light square Bishops.
  7. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    15 Sep '10 17:04
    Originally posted by moggybogg
    does having the white square on whites right really matter?
    If you've been playing the game long enough, you actually get used to certain squares being a certain color. It's very distracting if they're swapped.

    The convention is so well-followed amongst tournament players that we all got used to it and can't easily play the game the 'other' way, even though the strategy doesn't change.
  8. 15 Sep '10 17:26 / 1 edit
    It is odd playing with Black on the right.

    Try it.
    You can change the colour of the squares on all/most computers.
    Set it up so a black square is on the right.

    The dreaded Dragon Bishop is now on a white square.

    It should make no difference but somehow it does not look as fearsome
    as it used to.
    It now looks like a nampy-pampy skimpy-whimpy totally gutless
    Catalan Bishop and holds no terrors.

    (You won't catch me fianchettoing my KB, you cannot sac on f7/h7, white squares, from g2)

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    It's helps to set up the bits correctly at the start of the game.
    White on the right, Queen starts on it's own colour.
    d1 is white and d8 is black.
  9. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    15 Sep '10 18:34 / 1 edit
    I dont think anyone has ever written it down but it is actually like this.

    pawn = 1
    b1 b8 Knights = 3
    g1 g8 Knight = 3.25
    Light square Bishop = 3.25
    Dark square Bishop = 3.5

    There ya go, the bisho pair is only worth more because you have the dark square bishop...

    This is why the Tromp cannot be a correct opening. You need to trade your light square bishop on f6- which is impossible and vexxing.

    As a sidenote- if you ever get offered pawn odds and the White pieces, take their e pawn as Bc4 is now crushing.
  10. 15 Sep '10 18:41
    Originally posted by nimzo5
    I dont think anyone has ever written it down but it is actually like this.

    pawn = 1
    b1 b8 Knights = 3
    g1 g8 Knight = 3.25
    Light square Bishop = 3.25
    Dark square Bishop = 3.5

    There ya go, the bisho pair is only worth more because you have the dark square bishop...

    This is why the Tromp cannot be a correct opening. You need to trade your light squ ...[text shortened]... ou ever get offered pawn odds and the White pieces, take their e pawn as Bc4 is now crushing.
    I used to play the Trompowski as white now and then, as an alternative to 1.e4. My results? I used to win against weaker players, loose against stronger, and more or less split the points in-between. Theory, especially the more 'fundamental' part of theory is for players above my level It matters how you connect to positions.
  11. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    15 Sep '10 18:47
    I was mostly joking-

    The Tromp is much like the Grand Prix Attack- devastating when it was thought up, antidotes were found and now it's = with chances for the stronger player to win.
  12. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    15 Sep '10 20:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by moggybogg
    does having the white square on whites right really matter?
    In my mind it does, since it's important that the queen goes on her own color. Another point being play chess and let black move first. This mirrors everything for a normal game we've played a long time.

    As someone said, the only way it will be somewhat 'ok' is if you first set the board up WRONG and put the queens on the WRONG color. A clear example of two wrongs making a right.

    P-
  13. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    16 Sep '10 00:23
    Originally posted by greenpawn34

    The dreaded Dragon Bishop is now on a white square.
    This is just wrong. If you weren't Scottish Player of the Year...
  14. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    16 Sep '10 02:06
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    It is odd playing with Black on the right.

    Try it.
    You can change the colour of the squares on all/most computers.
    Set it up so a black square is on the right.

    The dreaded Dragon Bishop is now on a white square.

    It should make no difference but somehow it does not look as fearsome
    as it used to.
    It now looks like a nampy-pampy skimpy-whimpy ...[text shortened]... the game.
    White on the right, Queen starts on it's own colour.
    d1 is white and d8 is black.
    Funny how a chess player can remember seeing something like a fiancheto KB and go find it

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