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Superman

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09 Aug 07

Superman

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09 Aug 07

I got to this ending with a friend, he lost because of a mistake, but analyzing from this point we could only get to draw, can this ending be won by either side(i was white).

Exuma

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Woodshed

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09 Aug 07

Did you play rook takes pawn, or f5?

Superman

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09 Aug 07

cmsMaster

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09 Aug 07

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Originally posted by Superman
I got to this ending with a friend, he lost because of a mistake, but analyzing from this point we could only get to draw, can this ending be won by either side(i was white).

[fen]8/8/8/4k3/4P3/r4P2/p3R3/K7 w - - 0 1[/fen]

Nope, only with a black error:

1.Rxa2 Rxa2+ 2.Kxa2 Kd4 3.Kb3 Ke5 4.Kc4 Kd6 5.Kd4 Ke6 6.f4 Kd6 7.e5+ Ke6 8.Ke4 Kd7 1-0

1.Rxa2 Rxf3 =

Most rook and pawn endgames draw.

Superman

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09 Aug 07

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Yep.

1.Rxa2 Rxa2+ 2.Kxa2 Ke6 3.Kb3 Kd4 4.Kc2 Ke5 5.Kd3 Ke6 6.Kd4 Kd6 7.e5+ Ke6 8.f4 1-0

crap, editing

1.Rxa2 What if ... R*f3

cmsMaster

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09 Aug 07

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Originally posted by Superman
1.Rxa2 What if ... R*f3

Yeah, notice the new edits. Most of the time Rook and Pawn endgames draw.

BTW: It draws because of this:

1.f4 Kxf4 2.e5 Kf3 3.Re1 Kf2 4.Re4 Kf3 etc.

Exuma

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Woodshed

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09 Aug 07

Originally posted by Superman
f5

So after ...Kxp 2.e5..Kf3 3.Rxa2..Re3 its a draw, and if Re1 the king can just go to e2 and chase it back and forth along the e file no?

Superman

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09 Aug 07

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Originally posted by Exuma
So after ...Kxp 2.e5..Kf3 3.Rxa2..Re3 its a draw, and if Re1 the king can just go to e2 and chase it back and forth along the e file no?

I dont know what my friend thought but after ....k*P 2. e5 he just startet chasing the pawn with the king until it was too late.

but if he just moved his king to f5 then bring the rook back to the 8 then it was another draw.

Superman

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09 Aug 07

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Yeah, notice the new edits. Most of the time Rook and Pawn endgames draw.

BTW: It draws because of this:

1.f4 Kxf4 2.e5 Kf3 3.Re1 Kf2 4.Re4 Kf3 etc.

Right, I didnt think about that. so many ways to draw, none to win.

Shinidoki

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09 Aug 07

superman, I think in that position Rxa2 is the best move to be played.

as CMS pointed out, Rxa2 wins, Rxf3 draws...

vipiu

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Superman

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09 Aug 07

Originally posted by Shinidoki
superman, I think in that position Rxa2 is the best move to be played.

as CMS pointed out, Rxa2 wins, Rxf3 draws...

Yes but it only wins with blacks error, not with best play.

MoneyMaker7

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09 Aug 07

Superman's right

Maxwell Smart

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09 Aug 07

Originally posted by Superman
Yes but it only wins with blacks error, not with best play.

That's what he said, he just left out the part where he was supposed to say and black replies right before the whole Rxa2 wins, Rxf3 draws.

Superman

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11 Aug 07

I finaly analyzed this position with THE ENDING MASTER in my city and he found a way to win with white, at least I could no win with black, some one can see the move?