White to play and win?

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z

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Is there, in theory, a proof that at the very beginning of a game, there is a move 'White to play and win'?

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Auschwitz

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no

e4

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Yes.




















Yes clandarkfire is correct, the answer is no.

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to say such a thing would mean to solve chess. To know every possible outcome/move/combination/variation possible in the entire game of chess starting from move 1. Even then you'd probably find that the game would end in a draw ?

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Actually, the quickest mate on the board is in two moves for Black.

1.f3 e5 2.g4 Qh4 mate



It take White 3 moves to administer the same mate

When chess is finally solved, I bet it's a forced win for Black.

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Originally posted by znsho
Is there, in theory, a proof that at the very beginning of a game, there is a move 'White to play and win'?
Actually in theory there is a proof that chess is either a draw, black win, or white win.

In theory there's a proof. In practice, well, we haven't found it yet.

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Originally posted by ResigningSoon
Actually in theory there is a proof that chess is either a draw, black win, or white win.

In theory there's a proof. In practice, well, we haven't found it yet.
Lol. In theory there is a proof suggesting that if white only makes knight moves for the first 10 moves of the game, the board explodes.

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Originally posted by maniacmath13
Lol. In theory there is a proof suggesting that if white only makes knight moves for the first 10 moves of the game, the board explodes.
Been testing out said theory in blitz, So far only my opponents' heads have exploded...

...not disappointed.

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In 1939 Weaver Adams wrote a book called "White to Play and Win" in which he claimed that the Bishop's Opening was a forced win for White.

Unfortunately when he played in the US Open the next year, he scored 0.5/4 with White and 4/4 with Black...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaver_W._Adams#White_to_play_and_win_theory

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Originally posted by pijun
to say such a thing would mean to solve chess. To know every possible outcome/move/combination/variation possible in the entire game of chess starting from move 1. Even then you'd probably find that the game would end in a draw ?
Actually, that's what I meant. Is Chess a draw or, given the first move, can white always win?

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Originally posted by maniacmath13
Lol. In theory there is a proof suggesting that if white only makes knight moves for the first 10 moves of the game, the board explodes.
Let's put this theory into practise! Yoy cahhlenge me (me as W) and I'll make the first 10 moves with only my knights.

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Last I read about it, it was going that way... White always wins. They're still calculating though.

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Yes, c4! wins for white.

Shhhh.....don't tell anyone.