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Who has the advantage? White to move.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Who has the advantage? White to move.

[fen]1k6/4ppp1/2P5/P7/8/8/8/2K5 w - - 0 1[/fen]
Black.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Who has the advantage? White to move.

[fen]1k6/4ppp1/2P5/P7/8/8/8/2K5 w - - 0 1[/fen]
White play a6 and black can't touch either pawn. After that black pushes his pawns and the white king goes after them. Eventually black won't be able to make a decent pawn move and will move his king and bam! white pushes his pawns and queens.

Edit: again when I first saw this position the black pawns were on the 6th rank and the white king was on the right side of the board.

Man these people keep changing puzzles to their preference!

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Originally posted by RahimK
Man these people keep changing puzzles to their preference!
This one comes from James Mason, 1894. But, it was Jozsef Szen that first solved the king vs. three connected pawns earlier in the nineteenth century.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
This one comes from James Mason, 1894. But, it was Jozsef Szen that first solved the king vs. three connected pawns earlier in the nineteenth century.
From this position give, It looks wierd. It seem like you can somehow manage to get 1 of those 3 pawns to queen since they are lined up perfectly right now.

2 pawns vs a lone king, the king can manage.

But 3 nice pawns like that still on the starting square vs a long king an they can't queen 🙁 Strange.

But I'm still sticking with my solution though. White wins!

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a6 g5 Kc2 g4 Ke3 f5 Kf3 d5 and where can white go from there? Black should be able to check the king a couple times while keeping the pawns connected.

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Originally posted by GalaxyShield
a6 g5 Kc2 g4 Ke3 f5 Kf3 d5 and where can white go from there? Black should be able to check the king a couple times while keeping the pawns connected.
You got your line all messed up. Black can't keep his pawns all nice.

After a6, blacks king can't move anywhere. If he does, one of the pawns queens. If the king moves on the a file then c7, c file then a7.

K so 1.a6 g5 2.Kd2 g4 3.Ke3 f5 4.Kf4 e5+ 5.Kg3

Now what? 5...f4+ 6.Kxg4

5...e4 6.Kf4! and pawns drop or black moves the king and the white pawn queens.

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This has to be the most intersting line though. Advancing the pawns in a straight line but it still fails.

1. a6 f6
2. Kd2 e6
3. Ke3 g6
4. Kf4 f5
5. Kf3 g5
6. Ke3 e5
7. Kf3 f4
8. Kf2 e4
9. Ke2 g4
10. Kf2 f3
11. Kf1 e3
12. Ke1 g3
13. Kf1 e2+
14. Ke1 g2
15. Kf2

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I played it against Fritz:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mason, J."]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1k6/4ppp1/2P5/P7/8/8/8/2K5 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "21"]
[EventDate "2005.12.31"]
[SourceDate "2005.12.31"]

1. a6 {0} g5 {2} 2. Kd2 {2} f6 {2} 3. Ke3 {5} f5 {4} 4. Kf3 {6} e6 {2} 5. Ke2 {
0} g4 {2} 6. Kf2 {1} f4 {6} 7. Kf1 {0} g3 {2} 8. Kg2 {10} e5 {0} 9. Kf3 {13}
e4+ {0} 10. Kg2 {3} e3 {1} 11. Kf3 {1} 1-0

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Who has the advantage?
I would say white has. but the again, I am not a Grandmaster, yet...

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Originally posted by Jusuh
I would say white has. but the again, I am not a Grandmaster, yet...
Don't need to be.

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It takes Fritz 9 all of about 25 seconds to see that White is winning easily. A key position occurs after:

1.a6 f5 2.Kd2 e5 3.Ke3 g5 4.Kf2


White responds to any black pawn move by blockading that pawn with the King, and the others are not far advanced enough to create a diversion.

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Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
It takes Fritz 9 all of about 25 seconds to see that White is winning easily. A key position occurs after:

1.a6 f5 2.Kd2 e5 3.Ke3 g5 4.Kf2
[fen]1k6/8/P1P5/4ppp1/8/8/5K2/8 b - - 0 4[/fen]

White responds to any black pawn move by blockading that pawn with the King, and the others are not far advanced enough to create a diversion.
A once area that humans are sometimes better then computers.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but as soon as I saw the puzzle I posted the solution and I only had to look at the position for 6 seconds.

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Originally posted by GalaxyShield
Black.
I would have to agree

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Originally posted by RahimK
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but as soon as I saw the puzzle I posted the solution and I only had to look at the position for 6 seconds.
Well, you should have taken a longer look. You managed to pick the correct side with the advantage, but some of your reasoning is flawed.

In particular, one of the lines you gave:

1.a6 f6 2.Kd2 e6 3.Ke3 g6 4.Kf4 f5 5.Kf3 g5 6.Ke3 e5 7.Kf3 f4 8.Kf2
e4 9.Ke2 g4 10.Kf2 f3 11.Kf1 e3 12.Ke1 g3 13.Kf1 e2+ 14.Ke1 g2 15.Kf2



is actually won for Black after 15...g1Q+! followed by 16...e1Q+.

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