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  1. 09 Sep '06 23:56
    White to move. Does any side have an advantage and is a win possible for either side with decent play?

  2. 10 Sep '06 00:01 / 1 edit
    the blacks have a big positionnal advantage
    Queen,bishop threaten the King
    I would take the blacks for a win
    it would be very very difficult for the whites to have a draw
  3. Donation !~TONY~!
    1...c5!
    10 Sep '06 00:30
    Except I think Nd7!! wins for white.
  4. 10 Sep '06 00:35
    Originally posted by !~TONY~!
    Except I think Nd7!! wins for white.
    d7 is protected by a black knight
    Xd7 makes the whites lose
  5. 10 Sep '06 00:38
    Originally posted by HFRorbis
    d7 is protected by a black knight
    Xd7 makes the whites lose
    You need to look a bit deeper at the position then.
  6. 10 Sep '06 00:54
    I did
    I am not sure that whites could win
    black king is not good he is threatened by bishop and queen
    you would have to play a side to be sure because this game is tricky
  7. 10 Sep '06 01:11
    Originally posted by HFRorbis
    I did
    I am not sure that whites could win
    black king is not good he is threatened by bishop and queen
    you would have to play a side to be sure because this game is tricky
    This is just a quick look, but Nd7 wins a piece for white at the very least.

    Nd7!! Nb8xNd7
    Bc4xBe6+ Kh8
    Be6xNd7 Winning a piece for white
  8. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    10 Sep '06 01:24 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by HFRorbis
    d7 is protected by a black knight
    Xd7 makes the whites lose
    1.Nd7 Nxd7 2.Qxe6+ and you're losing a piece or the exchange, aren't you?
  9. 10 Sep '06 01:45
    Originally posted by RahimK
    White to move. Does any side have an advantage and is a win possible for either side with decent play?

    [fen]rn3rk1/ppp3pp/4bq2/2b1Np2/2B2P2/8/PPP1Q1PP/R1B1K2R w KQ - 0 1[/fen]
    I would say Black has the advantage. The board is wide-open and Black has the bishop pair in well-posted positions. His King is safe and White's is not. White does have a knight that is well posted but the protective pawn is precarious and vulnerable. If it were Black's move, I'd say White's position would be hopeless.

    As White, I probably would try to eliminate blacks bishop advantage and keep my superior knight position. I think I would immediately trade off the white bishop and attempt to trade of the black bishop as well. This would loosen (hopefully) Black's grip on the center allowing me an opportunity to Castle.

    Maybe, Bxe6, Qxe6, B-d2, ...., O-O-O, ...., g5 preparing for h4.

    If White were allowed to accomplish that, I think White would be much better than he is now.
  10. 10 Sep '06 01:49
    Originally posted by Sickboy
    I would say Black has the advantage. The board is wide-open and Black has the bishop pair in well-posted positions. His King is safe and White's is not. White does have a knight that is well posted but the protective pawn is precarious and vulnerable. If it were Black's move, I'd say White's position would be hopeless.

    As White, I probably would try ...[text shortened]... f White were allowed to accomplish that, I think White would be much better than he is now.
    Did you not read any of the posts in this thread!?
  11. 10 Sep '06 01:56
    Woah, on second thought, I just realised the problem of whites unfortunate line up on the e-file. It doesnt look like white can just grab the piece..
  12. 10 Sep '06 02:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tmetzler
    This is just a quick look, but Nd7 wins a piece for white at the very least.

    Nd7!! Nb8xNd7
    Bc4xBe6+ Kh8
    Be6xNd7 Winning a piece for white
    1. Nd7? Nxd7
    2. Bxe6?? Rf7!, attacking Be6 and threatening Re7, pinning the Q to the K. Be3 fails to Rxe3, as the Bc5 covers the rook.

    I think white just develops the bishop and prepares to castle queenside. Maybe develop to e3 and prepare to exchange off pieces, though I'd hate to lose the well posted knight.
  13. 10 Sep '06 02:17 / 2 edits
    Brain moving faster than fingers. Obviously, black moves Kh8 out of check first, then Bxd7 loses as above.
  14. 10 Sep '06 02:18
    Originally posted by aenrko
    Did you not read any of the posts in this thread!?
    Actually, no. I was interested in learning and improving, so I wanted to post my analysis/plan without bias in the hopes of learning something.

    Now that I have, I still don't have any idea what you are referring to.
  15. 10 Sep '06 02:31
    haha...I think this is one of those interesting positions that appear obvoius , but the deeper you look the more complex and uncertain the conclusion is.


    After Nd7 I think black can gain counter-play.

    here what I found.....suggested improvements welcome.

    Nd7 Nxd7 Qxd7+ [Bxe6+? Kh8 Bxd7 Rf7] kh8 Qxd7 Rae8+ Be2 [Kf1 Rd8] Re7 Qb5 Qd4 [Rfe8 also looks strong] Bd2? Rfe8 0-0-0

    and at this junction, I think black has counterply for the lost material -- which may well indicate 1.nd7 is in actaul fact a poor move.