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Why do grandmasters not play the blackmar-diemar g

Why do grandmasters not play the blackmar-diemar g

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Is it not considered viable at that level?

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Originally posted by Serendipity
Is it not considered viable at that level?
This is what M.C.O. says in the introduction to the chapter containing it:
"White immediately opens lines for attack, wiping away threats that the game will take on a slow, strategic, boring nature. The only problem is that the Blackmar-Diemer is not particularly good, so most players will wish to use it only in blitz games."

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Originally posted by DeepThought

"White immediately opens lines for attack, most players will wish to use it only in blitz games."
oh yeah!!! perfect opening to blitz tournaments!? i start studying it, thanks

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Originally posted by Jusuh
oh yeah!!! perfect opening to blitz tournaments!? i start studying it, thanks
Any strange opening will do in blitz if you know what to play, and your opponent doesn't.

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Originally posted by schakuhr
Any strange opening will do in blitz if you know what to play, and your opponent doesn't.
The best ones are where the standard development moves are bad. There are a couple of openings I spring from time to time where this is the case.

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But......... If you read gary Lane's book on this particular gambit, it illustrates games where many strong players have been beat with it. Now... if we examine the real masters, the likes of Fisher and so on, it can be seen that they incorpatrate gamibits within their arsenal such as the quenns gambit etc. So why not the Blackmar -Diemar gambit?? Can anyone give me some solid refutations for using this gambit on a high level of play??

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Originally posted by Serendipity
But......... If you read gary Lane's book on this particular gambit, it illustrates games where many strong players have been beat with it. Now... if we examine the real masters, the likes of Fisher and so on, it can be seen that they incorpatrate gamibits within their arsenal such as the quenns gambit etc. So why not the Blackmar -Diemar gambit?? Can anyone give me some solid refutations for using this gambit on a high level of play??
hello??

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Silman has posted one somewhere. I think on his website. Basically, I think any GM could really refute this opening with reasonable play. White has play of course, but I think that after some groveling by black, he can break out with a solid extra pawn. Anywho, it's a decent opening for blitz. Comparing the BDG to the Queen's Gambit is kind of foolish. NOONE keeps the pawn on c4 in the QG. You get pounded on. 🙂

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Silman has posted one somewhere. I think on his website. Basically, I think any GM could really refute this opening with reasonable play. White has play of course, but I think that after some groveling by black, he can break out with a solid extra pawn. Anywho, it's a decent opening for blitz. Comparing the BDG to the Queen's Gambit is kind of foolish. NOONE keeps the pawn on c4 in the QG. You get pounded on. 🙂
then how do explain the amount of strong players who have lost to this gambit?

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Originally posted by Serendipity
then how do explain the amount of strong players who have lost to this gambit?
To the very first question: it's crap.

To this question: cause they are crap.

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Originally posted by Serendipity
then how do explain the amount of strong players who have lost to this gambit?
When you are playing an otb game you have to work out the opening in your head and can't look it up. The gambit is unsound, but that doesn't mean it can't cause problems for an unprepared player.

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Yeah Its called "hope chess". As in I "hope" my opponent doesnt see the correct move because if he does im screwed.
You play a real gambit and your gambling and hoping that your opponent cant remember the refute.
I have fun using them from time to time but it sucks once you realize your opponent is laughing at your cause he knows your little trick.

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