After trying to trap my opponents queen i blundered away a piece. Things keep getting worse, to the point that my mouse is hovering over resign. It took a few mistakes for me to get back into it but this is a good example of 'close the window and look again another day' 🙂
Game 709441
Originally posted by marinakatombYou better watch it, I think you've just been added to Gambitzoid's black list for being crude, a thief, a criminal and unsporting.
It took a few mistakes for me to get back into it but this is a good example of 'close the window and look again another day' 🙂
Game 709441
You should be ashamed of yourself for not resigning the second you went down the bishop!!! Don't you know anything about chess etiquette? 😉
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=14783&page=6
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Originally posted by RagnorakLOL Well said! 😀😀😀
You better watch it, I think you've just been added to Gambitzoid's black list for being crude, a thief, a criminal and unsporting.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not resigning the second you went down the bishop!!! Don't yo ...[text shortened]... w.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=14783&page=6
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The game certainly looked resignable when you were two pieces down, and your opponent then missed a knight fork to your queen and rook, which should have finished you off. Instead he made a useless queen move and just doot-de-doo'd around while he allowed your attack to continue. Never resign against a weak player, you never know how ineffectual and blunder ridden their play can be.
Actually, I wouldn't consider the position resignable...
Black has two passed pawns on the a-file and White's king is terribly exposed. Of course, White's position was better but Black had counterplay, and White didn't necessarily blunder, it looked to me to be a legitimate mistake.
Originally posted by GambitzoidIt's good to see you approve of this one. Maybe everybody in the world who plays chess should continually consult you during their games to get your royal snotty opinion on whether to resign rather than forming their own opinion, which they had a right to do until you were born.
Actually, I wouldn't consider the position resignable...
Black has two passed pawns on the a-file and White's king is terribly exposed. Of course, White's position was better but Black had counterplay, and White didn't necessarily blunder, it looked to me to be a legitimate mistake.
Originally posted by GambitzoidYou're a hypocrite!!!
Actually, I wouldn't consider the position resignable...
Black has two passed pawns on the a-file and White's king is terribly exposed. Of course, White's position was better but Black had counterplay, and White didn't necessarily blunder, it looked to me to be a legitimate mistake.
And to make matters worse, you don't even know what you're talking about when u preach.
Here's your quote from the other thread: 'I resign automatically if I'm down at least a piece with no compensation.'
Now, from move 19 to 21, marinakatomb went B+ 2P down with no hope of compensation. As of move 21, there are no passed pawns on the A-file. In fact, throughout the whole game, there aren't any passed pawns on the A-file. If you're referring to the passed pawns on the H-file, then there are only 2 there for 1 move, 29. After that there is 1 passed pawn on the H-file. Also, as of move 21, which would have been the move at which you would have 'resigned automatically' going by your statement above, white's king is positioned very nicely behind 3 pawns, in a very standard, very well defended position.
Now you say you wouldn't have resigned that game? Hypocrisy of the highest order! I think you should add your own name to that stupid blacklist of yours. If you're going to be preaching in here, then make sure you know what you're talking about and try to be consistant.
BTW: Marinakatomb, well done on the excellent fightback.
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Originally posted by lauseyThanks, but anyone who looks at the game for a while can see that it was lost for me really. Had white decided to defend just a little i would have been left p***ing in the wind. The first 25 moves were played in about an hour, the remainder the next day. I'm convinced that my luck turned only through leaving the game for a day and looking at it agin without that sinking feeling we all get when we know we're in a tight spot.
What is considered a blunder is subjective. For example, what isn't such great move to us, would be a blatent blunder to Kasparov!
Well done Marinakatomb.
White had a saving line right at the end. He moved his queen off of c3 were it could have covered his rook to check my queen and stop the pawn by sacraficing his rook. He chose to attack and lost quicker than he should have.
Originally posted by marinakatombFair enough, but the question is: do you believe you stole that game? Do you feel bad for taking advantage of bad play by your opponent? Did you purely 'stall' and wait until your oppponent had a 'baby interrupt their game', or until 'their mouse slipped'?
Thanks, but anyone who looks at the game for a while can see that it was lost for me really. Had white decided to defend just a little i would have been left p***ing in the wind. The first 25 moves were played in about an hour, the remainder the next day. I'm convinced that my luck turned only through leaving the game for a day and looking at it agin ...[text shortened]... stop the pawn by sacraficing his rook. He chose to attack and lost quicker than he should have.
I applaud your win, some other people would add you to a blacklist of unsportsman players. Where do you think u belong?
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Originally posted by RagnorakI carried on playing because the position was uncertain. Had white had a clear route to victory, i'd have resigned but i couldn't see anything definate. I knew i'd need 'a mistake' to win but that's not why i plyed on, i was looking to draw. I figured the threat of queening the h pawn would force white to defend a little. I tell you what, i'll analyse the game move by move and show thoughts 😉.....
Fair enough, but the question is: do you believe you stole that game? Do you feel bad for taking advantage of bad play by your opponent? Did you purely 'stall' and wait until your oppponent had a 'baby interrupt their game', or until 'their mouse slipped'?
I applaud your win, some other people would add you to a blacklist of unsportsman players. Where do you think u belong?
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Originally posted by chris stephensWhite understandably was eager to promote, but in this case he would have been better served by pulling his rook backward and then promoting his pawn one tempo later.
heres another game which shows u should sometime wait before resigning
Game 733647
1.e4 ..d6
2.d4 ..Nf6
3.Nc3 ..Nd7
This is the start of the Lion defense, a dutch system that doesn't appear in any opening books or databases, hence why i play it 😉
4.Nf3
Another option here is f4 but we won't get into that.
..e5
Should white take the pawn black equalises in space for his bishops which is why we're about to leave theory....
5.dxe5 ..dxe5
6.Bg5 ..c6
Should the white bishop take the knight on f6 the resulting ..Nxf6, Qxd8 ..Kxd8 doesn't really bring white any adventage as the black king can then move to c6 where he is quite safe. Black then has the advantage of the two bishops in an open position. Also, with no queens on the board, the king will be moving towards the center sooner, as after a few exchanges he is best placed there in preparation for the end game.
7.Bc4
Threatening to win a pawn by Bxf6 ..Nxf6 Bxf7 where the king obviously can't take it because he looses his queen.
..Qc7
Removing the threat of Bxf2 and also removing the queen from both pins and preparing to castle queenside.
8.a3
Can't say i really see the point in this move though i suppose it could be preperation for b4, though if it was me i'd just play b4 straight away.
..h6
If white plays Bh4, black continues ..g5, Bg3 ..Bd6 in order to free up the Knight on d7 to at some point jump d7-f8-g6-f4 where it has a great post. Once white exchanges it black has an open g file to attack through but that's all by-the by......
9.Bxf6
Nice one, now i can develop my bishop i think to myself.
..Nxf6
10.o-o ..Bg4
The isn't really that strong as there aren't any black pieces to take advantage of the weakness created on d4, but it does clear the way for a queenside castle and Be6 is too passive for my likeing.
11.Be2
I can't help feeling this is a move played out of instinct as, as i've already said, there isn't really any way for black to take any real advantage from the pin.
..Bh5
Pobably not the best move in the position. I've found that i often loose my f pawn in this system. The idea behind this move is to defend it and also to move to attack white's e pawn. On reflection i think Bd6 is better, as it develops my last minor piece and blocks the line of check from the queen to fascilitate castling.
12.Qd3
Preparing to bring the rook onto the d file to claim it for white.
..Bd6
13.Qc4
I have no idea why white played this move though i'm loath to put a ? as i must be missing something. Rd1 looks much better, putting some pressure on the d file.
..o-o-o
14.Rd1 ..g5
In order to create a possible post for the knight to move too on f4. Also to start a possible pawn storm on the kingside as that is the logical attack to choose in opposite castled positions.
15.Rd2
Looking to double the rooks.
..Bg6
To put pressure on the e pawn but more importantly to free up h5 for the knight so it can jump to f4.
16.Bd3
Not really necassary as the queen and knight have the e pawn defended already but not a terrible move. Rd1 seems logical.
..Nh5
To Take up his post.
17.Re1
Over protecting the e pawn. Rd1 still looks better. Also, g3 would denny the knight his new home but would obviously weaken the kingside castle. Having said that it would be a while before black could take advantage and, in the same position, i'd probably play it.
..f5???????????????????????????????????????????????
A classic example of the wrong move order. I had spotted the precarious position of the white queen. Should i be able to get the white bishop onto the a1-h8 diagonal, the white queen is stuck. Had i played Nf4, the bishop would obviously be defended. Perhaps this is a lesson in 'make a plan and stick to it!'.
18.Qe6+!
Winning the bishop and causing all sorts of problems, good move!
..Kb8
19.Qxg6 ..Nf4
20.Qxf5 ..Be7?
Don't ask, i don't know what i'd seen, it was probably along the lines of trapping the queen but that obviously just doesn't work. I think i could have played 20...Rh-f1, 21.Qg4 ..h5, 22.Qxg5 ..Rg8, 23.Qf5 ..Rd-f1, though on move 22 the queen could also move to g3 so it's not quite forced.
21.Qxe5
And why not!
..Bd6
22.Qd4 ..Qe7
A vain attempt to create the dual threat of ..Bc4 and ..h5, continuing with the pawn storm plan that i should never have abandoned. I believe at the time i was also thinking about following up with b5 and then Bc4 to again try and trap the queen but luckily i didn't bother with this lame idea.
23.Qc4
Perhaps expecting b5, LOL.
..h5
24.Ne2
To exchange off blacks best piece.
..g4
To be honest i just did this to do something unexpected. As it turned out it worked ok, though if anyone can see a better continuation please point it out 😉
Ok guys and gals, i'm going to have to come back to this another time, i've been at thie for 2 hours already. To be continued......Please leave comments, it'll make it worth my while 🙂
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