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  1. 25 Sep '06 21:35
    I was curious what you higher rated players would do here. Black to move, would you take the b-pawn?



    I looked at it but I thought it wasn't worth the trouble. It gets messy.
  2. 25 Sep '06 21:39
    Originally posted by RahimK
    I was curious what you higher rated players would do here. Black to move, would you take the b-pawn?

    [fen]r3k1nr/pp2ppbp/1qn3p1/3pP3/3P1Pb1/4BN2/PP2B1PP/RN1QK2R b KQkq - 0 9[/fen]

    I looked at it but I thought it wasn't worth the trouble. It gets messy.
    I don't see anything wrong with it. Plus what has to prove that his pawn sac was justified, of course black has to also justify taking the pawn.
  3. 25 Sep '06 21:55
    i can't see it rahimk whats up with it? i dont really seem whites method of creating a huge attack or whatever to make up for it. analysis?
  4. 25 Sep '06 22:18
    Originally posted by kmac27
    i can't see it rahimk whats up with it? i dont really seem whites method of creating a huge attack or whatever to make up for it. analysis?
    I don't like the idea of sending my Queen in solo to pick up pawns.

    White can castle and connect the rooks and go after my exposed queen, attacking it and my king would be uncastled.

    Bad development I think for black for a pawn?
  5. 25 Sep '06 22:20
    Originally posted by RahimK
    I don't like the idea of sending my Queen in solo to pick up pawns.

    White can castle and connect the rooks and go after my exposed queen, attacking it and my king would be uncastled.

    Bad development I think for black for a pawn?
    You're the better chess player, but I think you're wrong . What does white do after 1...Qxb2 2.Nbd2 Nh6 ?
  6. 25 Sep '06 22:24
    Originally posted by cmsMaster
    You're the better chess player, but I think you're wrong . What does white do after 1...Qxb2 2.Nbd2 Nh6 ?
    Now tell me you didn't get that from a chess program.
  7. 25 Sep '06 22:34
    lol maybe he did maybe he didn't but can't us 1500 and 1600 players see 3 moves ahead when their forced?
  8. 25 Sep '06 22:52
    Originally posted by RahimK
    Now tell me you didn't get that from a chess program.
    What!?!? Get that from a chess program? Are you f***ing kidding me Rahim? I gave you two moves...Do you honestly think I have trouble seeing 2 moves ahead? No, I did not get that from a chess program, I didn't even check it with one. What a lame response. And you didn't even answer my question.
  9. 25 Sep '06 22:53
    Originally posted by kmac27
    lol maybe he did maybe he didn't but can't us 1500 and 1600 players see 3 moves ahead when their forced?
    It was 2 moves (actually not even!) and I didn't.
  10. 25 Sep '06 23:02
    Haha chill. It's the Nh6 part.
  11. 25 Sep '06 23:03
    Originally posted by RahimK
    Haha chill. It's the Nh6 part.
    I was proud of myself for finding that! f5 looks like a juicy outpost.
  12. 26 Sep '06 00:25 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by cmsMaster
    I was proud of myself for finding that! f5 looks like a juicy outpost.
    but perhaps more importantly than that, it allows 0-0.



    ...The only possible fault in Qxb2 I can see is an eventual possibility of Rxb7 (i.e Qxb2 Nbd2 Nh6 Rb1 Qxa2 Rxb7) which could be dangerous. (rook on 7th, though I must admit its kinda harmless in my example)


    Qxb2 seems a little risky -- if i were playing more prudish my top pick would be the simple Nh6, and then, if its not defended consider its capture.
  13. Standard member DeepThought
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    26 Sep '06 01:32
    Well I did give it to a chess program (Crafty 20.14) and it goes for 9. ... Qxb2 10. Nbd2 Qc3 11. Bf2 Bxf3 12. Bxf3 Nxd4 13. Qa4+ Nc6 14. Rb1 g5 etc. at 15 ply (409 seconds, 561 knodes/sec). At 14 ply it had 10. ... Nh6 as cmsMaster suggested. I think in practical terms (ie in otb play conditions) there's enough wrong with white's position (the vulnerability of the d pawn) for black to get away with grabbing the pawn.
  14. 26 Sep '06 01:44
    I tried hard to figure out why Qxb2 was a bad move but Idon't see anything for white.

    Let's say white gets to make a couple of moves for free and that somehow the pawn on b2 is not a factor in the position (it is magically guarded). White might play 0-0, Nc3 etc but there is nothing emediat. The pawn structure is somewhat closed, there are no breaks for either players so without looking at any lines it seems white doesn't get any positional compensation.

    First I considerd taking the pawn but Bxf3 seems to win d4 aswell. So my line goes like this: 1... Bxf3 2.Bxf3 Qxb2 3.Nd2 Qc3 4.Bf2 Nxd4 Maybe there is a smart move somewhere but for me it doesn't seem so. This is pretty simple so don't accuse me for using a computer.
  15. 26 Sep '06 01:58
    This comes down to chess philosophy. I would never play a move because of fear. If the risk is tactically I would try to calculate it even if it takes a long time (maybe up to 30 min or longer OTB). Ofcourse there are positions that are very complex tactically where I can't calculate good enough, but I would never head for such positions in the first place.