01 May '08 11:57>
Originally posted by David113Hmm... I won't ever understand these problems.
Yoe mean 21. ... a1=Q# 😛
Originally posted by JirakonThat's a good list. The next step is to apply sequence analysis and figure out which schemes actually have a prayer of working. [We can already cross item #1 off the list, as I showed above.]
All the schemes I've tried prior to your post:
1. Queen takes both white bishops
2. Queen takes c1, while rook takes f1.
3. Queen takes c1, promoted pawn takes f1.
4. Promoted pawn takes both bishops
5. Promoted pawn takes c1, queen takes f1.
6. Promoted pawn takes c1, rook takes f1.
7. Rook takes both bishops.
8. Rook takes c1, queen takes f1.
9. ...[text shortened]... p.
11. h rook takes c1, a rook goes to h8.
I think I might need to recount some of these...
Originally posted by Jirakon1...d5 2...Qd6-a3-a1xc1-a1-a5 8.Qa1 9.Kd1-c1-b1-Ka2 13.Kb3 Ra1-Rxf1-Ra1-Ra5 17...Ba3 18.Ka2, but we know from the previous analysis that this is too slow. wK needs to be heading back to a2 on move 17.
2. Queen takes c1, while rook takes f1.
Originally posted by JirakonUsing the count from the previous scheme, we can start with 8.Qa1.
3. Queen takes c1, promoted pawn takes f1.
Originally posted by JirakonLet's break this down into two schemes.
4. Promoted pawn takes both bishops
Originally posted by SwissGambitIt says something about your skill that no-one is interrupting. 🙂
Let's break this down into two schemes.
1) Promoted N takes both Bishops.
2) Promoted Q/R takes both Bishops.
For scheme 1), if I take c1 first...
5...a1N 7...Nxc1 12...Nxf1 + 3 moves for Qa1 + 7 moves for 'other' pieces = 22 moves.
If I take f1 first...
5...ab1N 9...Nxf1 14...Nxc1 is even slower than the previous try.
Scheme 2):
5...a1R 6... ...[text shortened]... r side has the time to shield the bRa5 so that wK can have a2.
Cross item 4 off the list.
Originally posted by Jirakon5...a1R 6...Rxc1 7...Rxd1+ 8.Kxd1 12.Kb3 Qa1 13...Qxf1 14...Qa1 15...Qa5 16.Ra1 Ba3 17.Ka2 21.Ke1 Qxa1# - the sequence is fast enough.
5. Promoted pawn takes c1, queen takes f1.