Originally posted by crazyblue1) Bh3!
Had this one in a blitz game the other day:
[fen]1rbr2k1/1p3p1p/p1np1B2/4p2Q/2q1P3/8/PPP2PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 18[/fen]
I moved 18. f3 in this position expecting this variation: 18.. Nd4 (Black's rook is not protected anymore) 19. Qg5+ Kf8 20. Qg7+ Ke8 21. Qg8+ Kd7 22. Qxd8+ Kc6 23. Kf2. Thought this plan was safe. However Black can win in a nice way then.
2) What was the correct move instead of 18. f3 to secure the win for White?
Originally posted by artplayerI would like to know how Black puts up any kind of fight after 19.Qxh7. Show me the miracle defense!
Unless you plugged this position into a program I don't know how you could confidently make that deduction: 1. 0-0-0... black has a minor piece for a pawn so I don't see why they can't just step their king to f8. Black might be a little worse but it's still a fighting game. My guess would be that white has something a little more decisive. Still looking though...
Originally posted by artplayerDo you really think this is 'beyond human' to see that white can 'dismantle' black's kingside position? Use a board and try this:
Unless you plugged this position into a program I don't know how you could confidently make that deduction: 1. 0-0-0... black has a minor piece for a pawn so I don't see why they can't just step their king to f8. Black might be a little worse but it's still a fighting game. My guess would be that white has something a little more decisive. Still looking though...h
Originally posted by artplayerDid you play through the complete line (or found stronger defense for black) I gave above? If yes, isn't the end position a clear enough win?
alright.... so suppose the line is 18. 0-0-0 Kf8 19. Qxh7. Black is forced to play 19. Ke8 as the alternative defense, Ne7, looks perilous. From here though I don't see where white has any substantial evidence of a win. As I said white might be a little better, but it definately looks like black has some fighting chances. The f7 pawn is pretty solid, and b ...[text shortened]... 're thinking of SwissGambit which leads to a clear win? As far as I can tell there isn't one.
Originally posted by artplayerBoth lines you give are straight winning lines for white. Therefor, I think that black has nothing better than what I suggested 24.Rd1+ (some typo's in your text there) Kc6 etc... leading to a position that convinced me of clear white win.
To answer your question I don't think it's beyond human ability to find the line you suggested. I probably should have looked into the position further, 23. rxd6+ has a sharp edge on it. I wasn't sure there was a clear line, 23. rxd6 is getting there, but it still looks kind of interesting... 23. Kxd6 24. re1+ Qd4 25. rxd4+ e5xd4 which is still pretty roug ...[text shortened]... looks the most promising, but even so, it seems like there might be a possible refutation.
Originally posted by artplayerI assume you refer to the line in your post (3 typo's corrected):
what's the winning line with the king on h5?n