Pi/4

royalchicken
Posers and Puzzles 11 May '04 00:12
1. royalchicken
CHAOS GHOST!!!
11 May '04 00:12
The series:

1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 +... = pi/4

is widely known. Besides just integrating 1/(1 + t^2) from t=1 to 0 and then integrating the equivalent series, prove this. I saw an old STEP problem that guides one through a clever proof, so I'd like to see more. I'll post mine in a few days if no-one beats me to it, but I suppose there are better.
2. Acolyte
12 May '04 08:42
Originally posted by royalchicken
The series:

1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 +... = pi/4

is widely known. Besides just integrating 1/(1 + t^2) from t=1 to 0 and then integrating the equivalent series, prove this. I saw an old STEP problem that guides one through a clever proof, so I'd like to see more. I'll post mine in a few days if no-one beats me to it, but I suppose there are better.
What properties can we assume pi has? Do you want a geometric argument?
3. royalchicken
CHAOS GHOST!!!
12 May '04 17:09
Originally posted by Acolyte
What properties can we assume pi has? Do you want a geometric argument?
Any type of argument will do.

I don't understand the first question in this context; even some of the more complicated arguments involving Fourier series don't really use properties of pi other than the value of circular functions at rational multiples of pi, all of which are derivable from the definition. If you mean 'should the argument include a proof that sin pi = 0' or something like that, then no.
4. TheMaster37
Kupikupopo!
12 May '04 17:33
Originally posted by royalchicken
The series:

1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 +... = pi/4

is widely known. Besides just integrating 1/(1 + t^2) from t=1 to 0 and then integrating the equivalent series, prove this. I saw an old STEP problem that guides one through a clever proof, so I'd like to see more. I'll post mine in a few days if no-one beats me to it, but I suppose there are better.
The definition of sine:

Sin(x) = x - x^3/3! + x^5/5! - x^7/7! +...

Sin(1) = 1 - 1/3! + 1/5! - 1/7! +...

Looks like it, but i'm still working on how to get closer...
5. 15 May '04 08:01
Nah, you have to look at atan, I believe. atan(1) = pi/4. So you have to look at the Taylor of atan.
6. TheMaster37
Kupikupopo!
15 May '04 18:22
Arctan you mean i assume?

It's expansion around 0 is this:

arctan(z) = 1- z/3 + z^3/5 -...

So arctan(1) =1 - 1/3 + 1/5 -...

Also, Arctan is a one-on-one function (on [0, pi) ) and the inverse of tan. We know that tan(pi/4) = 1, so arctan(1) = pi/4.

I'm not sure why arctan should be expanded around 0 though...
7. Acolyte
15 May '04 19:13
Originally posted by royalchicken
Any type of argument will do.

I don't understand the first question in this context; even some of the more complicated arguments involving Fourier series don't really use properties of pi other than the value of circular functions at rational multiples of pi, all of which are derivable from the definition. If you mean 'should the argument include a proof that sin pi = 0' or something like that, then no.
Arguments involving Fourier series sound a bit circular, if you'll pardon the pun. What I meant was, are we defining pi as the smallest postive real x such that 1 - x^2/2! + ..... tends to -1 (or something similar involving power series), or are we defining it as the perimeter of the unit circle?
8. royalchicken
CHAOS GHOST!!!
15 May '04 21:40
Originally posted by Acolyte
Arguments involving Fourier series sound a bit circular, if you'll pardon the pun. What I meant was, are we defining pi as the smallest postive real x such that 1 - x^2/2! + ..... tends to -1 (or something similar involving power series), or are we defining it as the perimeter of the unit circle?
Uhm, the perimeter of the unit circle is what we commonly call 2pi. Why not make pi half the perimeter of the unit circle, though if we're being completely formal I see no reason why we can't make pi about 6.3 and find series for ''pi''/8 ðŸ˜›.
9. Acolyte