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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. Standard member royalchicken
    CHAOS GHOST!!!
    11 May '04 00:12
    The series:

    1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 +... = pi/4

    is widely known. Besides just integrating 1/(1 + t^2) from t=1 to 0 and then integrating the equivalent series, prove this. I saw an old STEP problem that guides one through a clever proof, so I'd like to see more. I'll post mine in a few days if no-one beats me to it, but I suppose there are better.
  2. Donation Acolyte
    Now With Added BA
    12 May '04 08:42
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    The series:

    1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 +... = pi/4

    is widely known. Besides just integrating 1/(1 + t^2) from t=1 to 0 and then integrating the equivalent series, prove this. I saw an old STEP problem that guides one through a clever proof, so I'd like to see more. I'll post mine in a few days if no-one beats me to it, but I suppose there are better.
    What properties can we assume pi has? Do you want a geometric argument?
  3. Standard member royalchicken
    CHAOS GHOST!!!
    12 May '04 17:09
    Originally posted by Acolyte
    What properties can we assume pi has? Do you want a geometric argument?
    Any type of argument will do.

    I don't understand the first question in this context; even some of the more complicated arguments involving Fourier series don't really use properties of pi other than the value of circular functions at rational multiples of pi, all of which are derivable from the definition. If you mean 'should the argument include a proof that sin pi = 0' or something like that, then no.
  4. Standard member TheMaster37
    Kupikupopo!
    12 May '04 17:33
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    The series:

    1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 +... = pi/4

    is widely known. Besides just integrating 1/(1 + t^2) from t=1 to 0 and then integrating the equivalent series, prove this. I saw an old STEP problem that guides one through a clever proof, so I'd like to see more. I'll post mine in a few days if no-one beats me to it, but I suppose there are better.
    The definition of sine:

    Sin(x) = x - x^3/3! + x^5/5! - x^7/7! +...

    Sin(1) = 1 - 1/3! + 1/5! - 1/7! +...

    Looks like it, but i'm still working on how to get closer...
  5. 15 May '04 08:01
    Nah, you have to look at atan, I believe. atan(1) = pi/4. So you have to look at the Taylor of atan.
  6. Standard member TheMaster37
    Kupikupopo!
    15 May '04 18:22
    Arctan you mean i assume?

    It's expansion around 0 is this:

    arctan(z) = 1- z/3 + z^3/5 -...

    So arctan(1) =1 - 1/3 + 1/5 -...

    Also, Arctan is a one-on-one function (on [0, pi) ) and the inverse of tan. We know that tan(pi/4) = 1, so arctan(1) = pi/4.

    I'm not sure why arctan should be expanded around 0 though...
  7. Donation Acolyte
    Now With Added BA
    15 May '04 19:13
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    Any type of argument will do.

    I don't understand the first question in this context; even some of the more complicated arguments involving Fourier series don't really use properties of pi other than the value of circular functions at rational multiples of pi, all of which are derivable from the definition. If you mean 'should the argument include a proof that sin pi = 0' or something like that, then no.
    Arguments involving Fourier series sound a bit circular, if you'll pardon the pun. What I meant was, are we defining pi as the smallest postive real x such that 1 - x^2/2! + ..... tends to -1 (or something similar involving power series), or are we defining it as the perimeter of the unit circle?
  8. Standard member royalchicken
    CHAOS GHOST!!!
    15 May '04 21:40
    Originally posted by Acolyte
    Arguments involving Fourier series sound a bit circular, if you'll pardon the pun. What I meant was, are we defining pi as the smallest postive real x such that 1 - x^2/2! + ..... tends to -1 (or something similar involving power series), or are we defining it as the perimeter of the unit circle?
    Uhm, the perimeter of the unit circle is what we commonly call 2pi. Why not make pi half the perimeter of the unit circle, though if we're being completely formal I see no reason why we can't make pi about 6.3 and find series for ''pi''/8 .
  9. Donation Acolyte
    Now With Added BA
    15 May '04 23:41
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    Uhm, the perimeter of the unit circle is what we commonly call 2pi. Why not make pi half the perimeter of the unit circle, though if we're being completely formal I see no reason why we can't make pi about 6.3 and find series for ''pi''/8 .
    Replace perimeter by area.