I would never play any of those moves as white or black! Its rubbish.
Whites second move achieves nothing, black should have responded Nc6 followed by Nf6 and can then chase the white queen all over the board.
In this position after black's g6?
3. QxP Q-K2
4. QxR Nf6
and the white queen is trapped(?) Not certain if that is good enough for black or not.
Originally posted by wolfgang59After 5.d3, I see no good answer to White's threat of 6.Bh6, forcing a Q trade .
I would never play any of those moves as white or black! Its rubbish.
Whites second move achieves nothing, black should have responded Nc6 followed by Nf6 and can then chase the white queen all over the board.
In this position after black's g6?
3. QxP Q-K2
4. QxR Nf6
and the white queen is trapped(?) Not certain if that is good enough for black or not.
Originally posted by PallandoThis is similar to the Damiano's defense, a known, but inferior opening.
Just found this position in a game. White to play. +-
He got it wrong.
But I'm interested: has anyone actually won with these first moves? I was taught it was terrible.
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppp1p1p/6p1/4p2Q/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNB1KBNR [/fen]
(This is not against those who play it in any way)
Thanks
🙂
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6?! 3.Nxe5! fxe5?? [3...Qe7 is the only playable move] 4.Qh5+ g6 5.Qxe5+ and wins the R. 4...Ke7? 5.Qxe5+ Kf7 6.Bc4+ is even worse.
Originally posted by wolfgang59What about after QxR, Nf6. 5 d4 with the idea of B-h6, forcing trades and it looks like its all over for black.
I would never play any of those moves as white or black! Its rubbish.
Whites second move achieves nothing, black should have responded Nc6 followed by Nf6 and can then chase the white queen all over the board.
In this position after black's g6?
3. QxP Q-K2
4. QxR Nf6
and the white queen is trapped(?) Not certain if that is good enough for black or not.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhy let Black take the e-pawn? 5.d3, as I gave earlier, is a better move with the same idea of 6.Bh6.
What about after QxR, Nf6. 5 d4 with the idea of B-h6, forcing trades and it looks like its all over for black.
"Chess is a game for greedy people!"
-Jeremy Silman
Originally posted by PallandoPatience first... then restraint, blockade and destroy. Nimzovich knew. It's chess, not a circus sideshow. Novel stuff is still fun though.
Just found this position in a game. White to play. +-
He got it wrong.
But I'm interested: has anyone actually won with these first moves? I was taught it was terrible.
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppp1p1p/6p1/4p2Q/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNB1KBNR [/fen]
(This is not against those who play it in any way)
Thanks
🙂
Originally posted by mjolnirBxe6! here pinning the pawn to the king looks pretty nasty for black... followed by Bxf7 with the idea of either revealing check on the king by moving the bishop again, or trading bishops and doubling the rooks against the king
[fen]r1r1b3/4kp1R/2p1p1p1/4P3/p1B3P1/8/PPP5/2K2R2[/fen]
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Originally posted by AetheraelIf 1.Bxe6, why not 1...Kxe6 in reply?
Bxe6! here pinning the pawn to the king looks pretty nasty for black... followed by Bxf7 with the idea of either revealing check on the king by moving the bishop again, or trading bishops and doubling the rooks against the king
Listen I don't know what wolfgang is smoking but if he truly believes that the white queen is trapped after (1)Qxe5 ch (1)Qe7. (2)QxR (2)Nf6. Then he needs to pass me some of that LaLa. The Answer is simple: (3) D3 for starters to protect my E4 pawn as well as release my dark squared Bishop. My next move is Bh6 followed up by trading off queen and Bishop for queen and Bishop. Keep in mind that I'm up a whole Rook and pawn, which is more that enough to head into the endgame.