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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. Subscriber Chris
    Site Admin
    07 Oct '02 13:23
    It is the during the time of Henry VIII. A man is tried and condemned
    to be executed.

    "You will be sent to the Tower and will be executed within the next
    seven days. But, to add to your punishment, you will not be told which
    day will be your last. You will not know the date of your death until
    the executioner comes for you."

    The large smile appears accross the man's face as he says "Oh, thank
    you, thank you, I'm saved!!"

    Why?

  2. Donation Acolyte
    Now With Added BA
    07 Oct '02 16:06
    Would I be right in assuming that all executions happened at day?

    If so, then the man cannot be executed, because his sentence is logically inconsistent.

    Suppose he is sentenced on the 1st of January. If he lived until the night of the 7th, he
    would know he was going to be executed the next day, because he must be executed within
    the seven days.

    This is not allowed, since he would know his date of death in advance. Therefore he cannot
    be executed on the 8th. As he knows this, he would know his date of death on the night of
    the 6th.

    He follows this line of reasoning back through the days, and since he is alive today, he knows
    that he cannot be executed tomorrow, since he would know tonight, and not today, since he
    would know now. He can neither be executed outside nor withn the seven days, because that
    would contradict the first and second parts of the sentence respectively, so the sentence is
    null and void.

    I think this is the reasoning required, but I also think they would just kill him anyway. Once
    he says 'I'm saved!' the executioner comes for him. Since he was expecting to live, say, for
    many years after this date, this comes as a surprise so fulfils the requirements of the
    sentence. Alternatively, if he is sentenced at night, he could be told 'you will remain in the
    Tower until the day you die', which he will think is a life sentence. In fact it does not
    contradict his earlier sentence, so he could be taken away and executed at any time in the
    next seven days, at which time he would be taken by surprise (though at least this way he
    isn't tortured by the prospect of imminent death!). All that matters is that he THINKS he is
    not going to be executed.
  3. 07 Oct '02 17:11
    I would agree with Acolyte that no matter how you look at this, the
    man cannot escape execution with the information provided. Chrismo,
    is there more to tell? For example, Henry VIII was so fixated on
    himself that he only executed people on the eighth (VIII) day? If
    there is more, please tell. Otherwise, I'm stumped.

    Coyote
  4. Subscriber Chris
    Site Admin
    07 Oct '02 19:56
    No, that's all there is to it. I remember reading this when I was a child
    in a book by Johnny Ball (Zoe Ball's father for those who know of
    her)... I couldn't remember exactly how it went so I just threw in
    Henry VIII for a bit of colour.

    I should have probably explained that he was misguided, of course.
    like somehow the judge is going to say "I say, by the devil he's right!
    How jolly silly of us. Ok, of you go..."
  5. 09 Oct '02 19:10
    Okay, so what's the answer? It must be something we're all missing.

    Coyote
  6. Subscriber Chris
    Site Admin
    09 Oct '02 19:21
    Acolyte's original answer was correct!
  7. 09 Oct '02 19:43
    He was correct in the answer and in the final result, regardless of the
    logical problem! It seems he usually is. (No swelled heads, Acolyte!
    People like chopping those off, too. lol.)

    Coyote
  8. Donation Acolyte
    Now With Added BA
    09 Oct '02 23:20
    Any swelling would soon be punctured by the barrage of lectures I'm going to be facing,
    starting tomorrow. If my brain starts leaking incomprehensible Maths goo onto the forums,
    please let me know.
  9. Donation maggoteer
    The MAKIA
    07 Oct '02 19:12
    Nice puzzle.
    Just hang the man! He'll never expect it and so you never break your
    word.

    This puzzle, and others, can be found in a book titled "The
    unexpected hanging" by Martin Gardner. Used to write a column on
    mathematics for Scientific American. I think he has passed to the
    great Platonic Solid in the Sky, which may explain why he no longer
    writes a column. Always an interesting read way back when. May be
    easy to find in a libary, I recommend highly.

    And he's written an annotated guide to Alice in Wonderland, with all its
    logical fun...
  10. 07 Oct '02 19:05
    The crime was that he killed the executioner? He IS the executioner? I
    dunno.

    --Rein