09 Sep 04
We are all more or less on the same page
as to what a sheep is.
I have, though, been involved in a discussion
with one of my fiends for the longest of times, years,
as to how to define a NOT-sheep. (yes we are both sick)
(It started of as an observation in a C program of his
with a line like: if(!Sheep=false) )
Do anyone here have any fun ideas?
The main paradox we've found is this:
A NOT-sheep is an entity which possesses
all characteristics not possessed by a sheep.
This leads to the question of whether its possible to
exactly define a sheep in such a way that no nonsheep is
contained in the set, and all acctual sheep must be
accounted for. If this can not be done then it must
per definition be possible to define a NOT-sheep.....
Thoughts?
11 Sep 04
Originally posted by chasparosSheeps DNA!
We are all more or less on the same page
as to what a sheep is.
I have, though, been involved in a discussion
with one of my fiends for the longest of times, years,
as to how to define a NOT-sheep. (yes we are both sick)
(It started of as an observation in a C program of his
with a line like: if(!Sheep=false) )
Do anyone here have any fun ideas? ...[text shortened]... not be done then it must
per definition be possible to define a NOT-sheep.....
Thoughts?
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by chasparosWell, you could use this to 'prove' that 'all ravens are black'. Every non-black thing in nature that is a non-raven supports this argument. Using Bayes' Theorem, you rapidly build posterior insight that your assumption must be true. 😲😀🙄😉
We are all more or less on the same page
as to what a sheep is.
I have, though, been involved in a discussion
with one of my fiends for the longest of times, years,
as to how to define a NOT-sheep. (yes we are both sick)
(It started of as an observation in a C program of his
with a line like: if(!Sheep=false) )
Do anyone here have any fun ideas? ...[text shortened]... not be done then it must
per definition be possible to define a NOT-sheep.....
Thoughts?
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by chasparosSo, if I'm following this right, as an example, a non-sheep must have all of the following proerties, and a lot more....
The main paradox we've found is this:
A NOT-sheep is an entity which possesses
all characteristics not possessed by a sheep.
* not be an animal
* have no legs
* not make a noise
* not move
* not consume vegetable matter for fuel
etc. etc.
Am I understanding this right?
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by fawcr01For this to work, then a non-sheep must '* not be an animal', so all animals are sheep?
So, if I'm following this right, as an example, a non-sheep must have [b]all of the following proerties, and a lot more....
* not be an animal
* have no legs
* not make a noise
* not move
* not consume vegetable matter for fuel
etc. etc.
Am I understanding this right?[/b]
12 Sep 04
Originally posted by chasparosSheep exist. Therefore not-sheep do not.
We are all more or less on the same page
as to what a sheep is.
I have, though, been involved in a discussion
with one of my fiends for the longest of times, years,
as to how to define a NOT-sheep. (yes we are both sick)
(It started of as an observation in a C program of his
with a line like: if(!Sheep=false) )
Do anyone here have any fun ideas? ...[text shortened]... not be done then it must
per definition be possible to define a NOT-sheep.....
Thoughts?
Of course, a more usual definition of 'not a sheep' is something which does not possess all of the necessary properties of a sheep, though it may have some of them.
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12 Sep 04
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Originally posted by chasparosWhat is the opposite of a sheep?
Thoughts?
it would have to be not wooly, not placid and eat the opposite of grass (meat?). It would have to not be quite big (small?), and be a solitary thing. It would have to be inedible. However it would also have to be not alive.... Some kind of zombie black widow spider?
13 Sep 04
Originally posted by iamatigerA "NOT" sheep would also be something that refused sexual advances from Aussie men.😀😛
What is the opposite of a sheep?
it would have to be not wooly, not placid and eat the opposite of grass (meat?). It would have to not be quite big (small?), and be a solitary thing. It would have to be inedible. However it would also have to be not alive.... Some kind of zombie black widow spider?
13 Sep 04
Originally posted by AcolyteThis is true.. And a perfect example of the difficulties in defining it.
Sheep exist. Therefore not-sheep do not.
Of course, a more usual definition of 'not a sheep' is something which does not possess all of the necessary properties of a sheep, though it may have some of them.
13 Sep 04
Originally posted by fawcr01Yes. An entity with a lot of conflicting attributes.
So, if I'm following this right, as an example, a non-sheep must have [b]all of the following proerties, and a lot more....
* not be an animal
* have no legs
* not make a noise
* not move
* not consume vegetable matter for fuel
etc. etc.
Am I understanding this right?[/b]
The question is.. how much can you modify your standard sheep
before it ceases to be a sheep?
If you take away all legs on a sheep. Has it ceased to be a sheep?
If we assume no sheep has more than four legs. Then
the NOT-sheep has more than four legs. And exactly five legs.
And exactly six legs.
The not-sheep does not exist (as stated earlier).
It doesn't breath, but can breathe under water.
It has no fur, but it's fur is straight.
aso
It also, as I said earlier, must be possible to define if sheep defy
definition.
Paradoxal again. But since we have established that they don't really exist, it doesnt matter that much.
So.. Can we define a sheep?
ps.
To the real logicians out there. Yes I know the entire concept is a logical fallacy :-)
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13 Sep 04
Originally posted by AcolyteClearification. I'm not talking about a "not a sheep" since that would require only one thing to differ from the sheep.
Sheep exist. Therefore not-sheep do not.
Of course, a more usual definition of 'not a sheep' is something which does not possess all of the necessary properties of a sheep, though it may have some of them.
Its a not-sheep. A total inversion. The complement of a sheep.
13 Sep 04
I would say that a non-sheep is a 'creature' or object or... which mustn't possess all the properties that a sheep does.
For example:
Definition of a 'white pawn':
-It is white
-It is a pawn
Then everything that is:
-not white
-not a pawn
or
-not white and not a pawn
is a non-'white pawn'
I hope I dont have to write this down for a sheep... ? It would take a bit too long.
13 Sep 04
Originally posted by sven432Yes. Maybe I have been a little to cryptic.
I would say that a non-sheep is a 'creature' or object or... which mustn't possess all the properties that a sheep does.
For example:
Definition of a 'white pawn':
-It is white
-It is a pawn
Then everything that is:
-not white
-not a pawn
or
-not white and not a pawn
is a non-'white pawn'
I hope I dont have to write this down for a sheep... ? It would take a bit too long.
I'm not talking about a non-sheep.
I'm talking about a "NOTsheep". The complete inverse of
a sheep. An virtual-entity defined as having ALL properites
not exhibited by *any* sheep, and no property in common
with *any* sheep.
There is a diffrence. :-)