# Rook vs 5 pawns?

Ramned
Posers and Puzzles 02 Apr '07 02:52
1. Ramned
The Rams
02 Apr '07 02:523 edits
Is it possible for black to win, assuming perfect play on each side?

(I do not know, this was a blitz game. I lost - I had only 3 total minutes left.)

2. 02 Apr '07 03:13
It's not looking too good for black. I've seen games where three pawns win against a rook. Four is pushing it , but 5!? It would be tough, but the only way I can think of that you would easily attain the answer is to put it into a program.
3. 02 Apr '07 23:14
black or white's move?
4. 03 Apr '07 07:04
don't think it matters. rook is cooked. Kg3
5. 11 Apr '07 05:46
Originally posted by Ramned
Is it possible for black to win, assuming perfect play on each side?
No. It is not possible with perfect play on both sides.. If white were to completely suck, he/she would lose.
6. 15 Apr '07 14:29
White could be retarded and still win.
7. 15 Apr '07 21:021 edit
Originally posted by Ramned
[b]Is it possible for black to win, assuming perfect play on each side?

(I do not know, this was a blitz game. I lost - I had only 3 total minutes left.)
this position I quite lost for black.......

put it is only lost becuase of the white king.

1... Kd6 2. g5 Ke5 3. Ka2 Kf4 4. h4 Kxf3 5. e5 Kf4 6. e6 Ke5 7. e7 Rb8 8. g6
Kxd5 9. h5 Ke6 10. e8=Q+ Rxe8 11. Kb3 Kf6 12. Kc4 Kg5 13. g7 Kxh5 14. Kd5 Kg6
15. g8=Q+ Rxg8 1-0

I had no problem defeating frtiz from that position.
8. 15 Apr '07 21:17
Originally posted by Shinidoki
this position I quite lost for black.......

put it is only lost becuase of the white king.

[fen]8/8/1r6/2kP4/4P1P1/5P1P/8/K7 b - - 0 1[/fen]

1... Kd6 2. g5 Ke5 3. Ka2 Kf4 4. h4 Kxf3 5. e5 Kf4 6. e6 Ke5 7. e7 Rb8 8. g6
Kxd5 9. h5 Ke6 10. e8=Q+ Rxe8 11. Kb3 Kf6 12. Kc4 Kg5 13. g7 Kxh5 14. Kd5 Kg6
15. g8=Q+ Rxg8 1-0

I had no problem defeating frtiz from that position.
HEY shindoku, how's about king/pawn versus king? Muahahahahahahahaha.
9. 17 Apr '07 18:33
Originally posted by Shinidoki
this position I quite lost for black.......

put it is only lost becuase of the white king.

[fen]8/8/1r6/2kP4/4P1P1/5P1P/8/K7 b - - 0 1[/fen]

1... Kd6 2. g5 Ke5 3. Ka2 Kf4 4. h4 Kxf3 5. e5 Kf4 6. e6 Ke5 7. e7 Rb8 8. g6
Kxd5 9. h5 Ke6 10. e8=Q+ Rxe8 11. Kb3 Kf6 12. Kc4 Kg5 13. g7 Kxh5 14. Kd5 Kg6
15. g8=Q+ Rxg8 1-0

I had no problem defeating frtiz from that position.
if its black to play black has won
10. skeyey
Molon Labe
18 Apr '07 03:08
if black moves first, with perfect play, I see a draw by insufficient material. If white moves first, black looses.
11. 19 Apr '07 19:18
Originally posted by Ramned
Is it possible for black to win, assuming perfect play on each side?

(I do not know, this was a blitz game. I lost - I had only 3 total minutes left.)

[fen]8/8/1r6/1k1P4/4P1P1/5P1P/6K2/8[/fen]
2 connected pass pawns are stronger then a rook in the endgame...let alone 5 pawns
12. 19 Apr '07 20:57
Only if they're far enough advanced. They need the king's protection until they reach the sixth rank, and even the king probably isn't enough if you back them up a couple more ranks.
13. Ragnorak
19 Apr '07 23:19
Originally posted by Shinidoki
[fen]8/8/1r6/2kP4/4P1P1/5P1P/8/K7 b - - 0 1[/fen]

1... Kd6 2. g5 Ke5 3. Ka2 Kf4 4. h4 Kxf3 5. e5 Kf4 6. e6 Ke5 7. e7 Rb8 8. g6
Kxd5 9. h5 Ke6 10. e8=Q+ Rxe8 11. Kb3 Kf6 12. Kc4 Kg5 13. g7 Kxh5 14. Kd5 Kg6
15. g8=Q+ Rxg8 1-0
Why did you do it that way?

What was wrong with 1...Kc4, with mate in 4 at most?

D
14. 20 Apr '07 15:102 edits
i was thinking this too, but i think white can avoid letting black maintain the opposition.
15. Ragnorak