#### Posers and Puzzles

uzless
Posers and Puzzles 10 Jun '08 19:23
1. uzless
The So Fist
10 Jun '08 19:231 edit
A ladder, leaning against a building, rests upon the ground and just touches a box, which is flush against the wall and the ground. The box has a height of 64 units and a width of 27 units.

Find the length of the ladder so that there is only one position in which it can touch the ground, the box, and the wall.

EDIT: I believe this question is looking for the shortest ladder length possible.
2. forkedknight
Defend the Universe
10 Jun '08 19:27
Originally posted by uzless
A ladder, leaning against a building, rests upon the ground and just touches a box, which is flush against the wall and the ground. The box has a height of 64 units and a width of 27 units.

Find the length of the ladder so that there is only one position in which it can touch the ground, the box, and the wall.
I think I know what you are trying to say, but what exactly do you mean by "just touches a box".

Does the box need to be underneath the ladder?
3. uzless
The So Fist
10 Jun '08 19:291 edit
Originally posted by forkedknight
I think I know what you are trying to say, but what exactly do you mean by "just touches a box".

Does the box need to be underneath the ladder?
Yes. Sorry, can't draw pictures in this thing.
4. PBE6
Bananarama
10 Jun '08 19:51
Originally posted by uzless
A ladder, leaning against a building, rests upon the ground and just touches a box, which is flush against the wall and the ground. The box has a height of 64 units and a width of 27 units.

Find the length of the ladder so that there is only one position in which it can touch the ground, the box, and the wall.

EDIT: I believe this question is looking for the shortest ladder length possible.
I got 125.
5. wolfgang59
10 Jun '08 20:402 edits
Originally posted by PBE6
I got 125.
Intuitively the ladder should be at an angle of 45 degrees. (yes/no?)

That would mean it would be a distance of 91 units from wall (27+64)

Pythagoras gives us 128.7 for the ladder length.

Presumably wrong! ðŸ˜•
6. AThousandYoung
All My Soldiers...
11 Jun '08 00:49
Originally posted by forkedknight
I think I know what you are trying to say, but what exactly do you mean by "just touches a box".

Does the box need to be underneath the ladder?
The ladder touches the corner that is not in contact with the wall or the ground.
7. 11 Jun '08 04:30
Uh, what do you mean by "which is flush against the wall and the ground"?
8. uzless
The So Fist
11 Jun '08 04:55
Originally posted by twilight2007
Uh, what do you mean by "which is flush against the wall and the ground"?
the angle where the wall meets the ground is 90 degrees and the box is touching the ground and the wall at the same time.
9. uzless
The So Fist
11 Jun '08 04:55
Originally posted by wolfgang59
Intuitively the ladder should be at an angle of 45 degrees. (yes/no?)

That would mean it would be a distance of 91 units from wall (27+64)

Pythagoras gives us 128.7 for the ladder length.

Presumably wrong! ðŸ˜•
you can't make the two opposite corners 45 degrees if the box is taller than it is wide.

You're on the right track though.
10. 11 Jun '08 05:061 edit
I have a quartic to solve to find tan theta, I'm getting there...
Right all i had to do was differentiate it. I get that the gradient of the ladder is 4/3. So therefore the length is 125.
11. wolfgang59
11 Jun '08 15:43
Originally posted by uzless
you can't make the two opposite corners 45 degrees if the box is taller than it is wide.

You're on the right track though.
I can put a box of ANY dimensions benetah a ladder at an angle of 45degrees.
12. 12 Jun '08 02:20
u = hypotonuse of lower triangle
v = Hypotonuse of upper triangle
x = angle between ladder and wall

u = 64 sec x
v = 27 csc x
Q = 64 sec x + 27 csc x
dQ = 64 sec x tan x - 27 csc x cot x
0 = 64 sec x tan x - 27 csc x cot x
64 sec x tan x = 27 csc x cot x
64 (tan x)^2 = 27 cot x
64 (tan x)^3 = 27
(tan x)^3 = 27 / 64
tan x = 3 / 4
x ~ 26.86 degrees
sec x = 10 / 8
csc x = 10 / 6
Q = 64 sec x + 27 csc x
Q = 64 * 10 / 8 + 27 * 10 / 6
Q = 640 / 8 + 270 / 6
Q = 80 + 45
Q = 125
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