1. Dieren, Holland
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    01 Nov '02 14:22
    Yes, the missing (white or black) piece (pawn,knight,bishop,rook or
    queen) is on h4.

    Otto
  2. Joined
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    01 Nov '02 15:10
    OK let me try the solution. Is it ok?

    1) white's last move was cxd8+ promotes to pawn
    black was not in check before the move, so there had to be
    something between d7 and b7, can only be the pawn promoting

    2) which piece on d8 was taken?
    Not queen or rook. Could only be if black's last move was to put it
    there with check, or take one in between d8 and h8 away, both
    impossible.
    So it is Knight or Bishop.
    If knight, then it's a promoted piece (2 others there)
    If bishop, idem, because the bishop on f8 (the other black square
    bishop) cannot have moved (e7, g7 still there).

    Hence, black has promoted a pawn

    3) It is not a black piece on h4
    Rook or queen are impossible. White could not have made cxd8+
    while being in check!
    The knights are there.
    The black square bishop has not moved/was taken on f8
    The white square bishop is on the wrong color
    All his pawns are there, except the one that promoted

    4) which white piece?
    not a pawn (they are all there before the cxd8)
    black has taken 1 piece with b-pawn
    black has taken 3 pieces with f-pawn to get on c4
    black has taken 1 piece to get on g2 (hxg2)
    (promotion could not be through f-file because that would require one
    more capture, impossible see below).

    total 5 pieces out of 6: 1 Q, 1 R, 2 N, 2 B
    only one piece not taken by a pawn

    all takes by white pawn were on white squares (that's why g2 is
    important)

    leaves only white's black-square bishop


    Solution: white bishop on h4.

    sin
  3. Asheville
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    01 Nov '02 16:59
  4. Dieren, Holland
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    01 Nov '02 19:14
    Congrats!! Well done.
    This was a difficult problem, although I have more difficult problems
    like this.
    Your reasoning is perfect except for a minor detail and what I think is
    a typing error.
    Minor detail: The piece taken on d8 can be an original knight, it
    doesn't have to be the promoted (and it can be a bishop as you
    demonstrated).
    Typing error: All the white pieces are taken by black! pawns, all on
    white squares.
    This was a retrograde-problem.
    Most of the chess-problems are about determining what must be
    done in the FUTURE of the game.
    Retrograde-problems are about determining what has been done in
    the PAST!
  5. Joined
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    01 Nov '02 19:34
    Thanks. And yes, both your remarks are correct.

    I was in trouble before because I thought the h-pawn had infiltrated
    through the f-file. And therefor had at least taken twice (once on a
    black square), leaving no white pieces.
    In that case the only solution was black's white-square bishop, but
    that was on the wrong color. That's why I asked about h3.
    Your answer made me look again, and then I saw the promotion
    through h3 - g2, leading to the solution.
    Sin.

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