 Posers and Puzzles

1. 16 Jun '05 13:40
In a triangle ABC, D and F are points on BC, and E is a point on AB such that AD is parallel to EF, AngleCEF = AngleACB, AD = 15m, EF = 8m and BF = 8m. Find the length of BC.
2. 16 Jun '05 15:36
You'd better tell us the answer, if nobody gets it. My geometry skills are very rusty, and the most I've gotten so far, is the length of BE.

I suck.
3. 16 Jun '05 18:11
4. 16 Jun '05 18:51
Originally posted by elopawn
In a triangle ABC, D and F are points on BC, and E is a point on AB such that AD is parallel to EF, AngleCEF = AngleACB, AD = 15m, EF = 8m and BF = 8m. Find the length of BC.
I may be all wet here but when I draw it out it looks like AD can
be Perpendicular to EF but I don't see any way it could ever be
parallel. Those two lines cross inside the ABC triangle and doesn't
look to me like crossing lines can ever be parallel at least not in
OUR universe.
5. 16 Jun '05 19:17
Originally posted by elopawn
In a triangle ABC, D and F are points on BC, and E is a point on AB such that AD is parallel to EF, AngleCEF = AngleACB, AD = 15m, EF = 8m and BF = 8m. Find the length of BC.
looking at it again, could you have made a typo, meaning E is on
a point AC instead of AB? that could allow the two lines to be
parallel but they would still be called AD and FE.
6. 16 Jun '05 19:38
Originally posted by sonhouse
I may be all wet here but when I draw it out it looks like AD can
be Perpendicular to EF but I don't see any way it could ever be
parallel. Those two lines cross inside the ABC triangle and doesn't
look to me like crossing lines can ever be parallel at least not in
OUR universe.
Are you sure? I was able to draw it out, just fine.

7. 16 Jun '05 19:51
Hi sonhouse!

just switch your points B and C and make sure D is closer to C than F is and then you can draw it. AB is the base of the triangle and C is the apex. So, going clockwise around the triangle starting at the lower left corner you would have A, C, D, F, B and E.

8. 16 Jun '05 19:56
Originally posted by sonhouse
I may be all wet here but when I draw it out it looks like AD can
be Perpendicular to EF but I don't see any way it could ever be
parallel. Those two lines cross inside the ABC triangle and doesn't
look to me like crossing lines can ever be parallel at least not in
OUR universe.
Construct an isoceles triangle where the two equal length sides are each 8m long - have the third side be the bottom of the triangle (to make this easier). Label the bottom two vertices B & E, and the top vertice F. Draw a line parallel to EF and 15m long such that its two ends will be along the extended lines BF and BE. Label the ends of these two lines A (bottom) and D (top). Then extend BD out some as yet to be determined distance and where it ends will be point C. Connect C to A, and you have the problem as described above. Note that BE and BF are both 8m long, and BD and AD are both 15 m long. Now the hard part is when you draw the line from C to E, the angle ACB has to equal the angle CEF.

I;m with Shanshu, my geometry is just a little to rusty to finalize the solution (although I'm wondering how he calculated the length of BE....)
9. 16 Jun '05 21:08
Originally posted by jebry
Hi sonhouse!

just switch your points B and C and make sure D is closer to C than F is and then you can draw it. AB is the base of the triangle and C is the apex. So, going clockwise around the triangle starting at the lower left corner you would have A, C, D, F, B and E.

Isn't that interesting! I just automatically drew it ABC, an
equalateral triangle with A in lower left hand corner, B on top and
C on right hand tip. They are marked going clockwise.
But if you draw it where they are going counterclockwise it puts
EF and AD in parallel like the original description. Learn something
new every day. Didn't know that would make a differance.
Haven't even started solving the problem as of yet, just didn't get
past step 1🙂
10. 16 Jun '05 21:25
I;m with Shanshu, my geometry is just a little to rusty to finalize the solution (although I'm wondering how he calculated the length of BE....)[/b]
That would be the Pythagorean Theorum.

😉
11. 16 Jun '05 22:202 edits
hmm... parallel lines& an angle
Using Thales Theorem:
All that remains is CD=?
But I can't seem to plug in the angle in the equation 🙁
EDIT: One more thing though SIMILAR TRIANGLES
Namely if we denote the intersection of CE and AD with H, we can easily see that the angle CHD = CEF (since AD||EF), and from the condition we get
the angle ACB = CHD, and therefore the triangle ADC and CHD are similar.
What good can be derived from that is a question I am currently unable to answer.
12. 16 Jun '05 22:30
Originally posted by elopawn
In a triangle ABC, D and F are points on BC, and E is a point on AB such that AD is parallel to EF, AngleCEF = AngleACB, AD = 15m, EF = 8m and BF = 8m. Find the length of BC.
In this problem you can prove AD=DB, 15 units, so DF=7 units
(FB is 8 so 15 minus 8 =7)
So this proves only that the triangle ADB is isosceles.
So building ADB says nothing about ABC, since there are an infinite
number of possible lengths of AC that will satisfy the ADB requirement.
13. 16 Jun '05 22:55
Originally posted by ilywrin
hmm... parallel lines& an angle
Using Thales Theorem:
All that remains is CD=?
But I can't seem to plug in the angle in the equation 🙁
EDIT: One more thing though SIMILAR TRIANGLES
Namely if we denote the intersection of CE and AD with H, we can easily see that the angle CHD = CEF (since AD||EF), and from the co ...[text shortened]... are similar.
What good can be derived from that is a question I am currently unable to answer.
And of course (stupid me) The Similar Triangles are three:
14. 16 Jun '05 22:57
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