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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. 14 Jul '10 15:04
    This position is actually from a real game. I will tell the names of both players, when it is solved.
    It's whites turn, but he realized the Black king is too powerful. So he resigned. However he can get draw on a very thin path. The use of a standard procedure which has to be adjusted to the requirements of position, makes this one of my favorite puzzles.

  2. 14 Jul '10 17:01
    Ke4?
  3. 14 Jul '10 17:02
    this is the most obvious move
  4. 14 Jul '10 18:08
    okay, but if you move Ke4 and offer draw, black will most likely not accept it yet
  5. 14 Jul '10 19:45
    White must take black's c-pawn and move his own c-pawn forward. A queen versus a c-pawn will be draw.
  6. 15 Jul '10 00:21 / 7 edits
    Ke4 Kxc2
    Kd5 Kb3
    Kxc5 Kxa2
    Kb5 wins

    or Ke4 Kxa2
    Kd5 Kb2
    Kxc5 a4
    Kb4 wins
  7. 15 Jul '10 00:22 / 3 edits
    an a-pawn vs queen draws too
    just saying
  8. 15 Jul '10 00:29
    Originally posted by crazyblue
    okay, but if you move Ke4 and offer draw, black will most likely not accept it yet
    wat does black reply to Ke4?
  9. 15 Jul '10 07:03
    Originally posted by Thomaster
    White must take black's c-pawn and move his own c-pawn forward. A queen versus a c-pawn will be draw.
    you are on the right track. but there is a problem in this specific position...
  10. 15 Jul '10 10:26 / 2 edits
    K-e4 Kxa2
    K-d5 K-b2
    Kxc5 -a4
    K-d6 -a3
    -c5 -a2
    -c6 -a1Q
    -c7
  11. 15 Jul '10 10:41
    instead of Kd6 why not Kb4?
  12. 15 Jul '10 10:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Banana King
    instead of Kd6 why not Kb4?
    Why going to b4: you can't take the black pawn, and need to protect your own.
  13. 15 Jul '10 10:58 / 1 edit
    ya sorry that was stupid. so is answer right? crazyblue?
  14. 15 Jul '10 14:04
    I don't see any draw. I just see variants where black wins.
  15. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    15 Jul '10 15:29 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by crazyblue
    This position is actually from a real game. I will tell the names of both players, when it is solved.
    It's whites turn, but he realized the Black king is too powerful. So he resigned. However he can get draw on a very thin path. The use of a standard procedure which has to be adjusted to the requirements of position, makes this one of my favorite puzzles.

    [fen]8/8/8/p1p5/2P2K2/8/PkP5/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    Are you sure this puzzle is legit? It seems white draws easily after Ke4 Kxc2, so resigning probably wasn't the right choice yet. But after ...Kxa2.................

    Edit - Never mind, I was just looking at it here, but once you set up the board it seems the win is quite elementary. Of course, I was wrong once...



    And an elementary draw.

    Edit- Drawing in such positions involves a stalemate defense as such:



    Here taking the pawn gives stalemate, and black cannot make further progress. However, in the original position, white gets an extra pawn. If black refrains from taking it, the above position isn't stalemate, hence black might win. Have to think about it...