White to move and draw

Originally posted by clandarkfire

And an elementary draw.

And black to move...

You say this is an elementary draw?
Then what about 7. ... Qa8 8. Kd7 Qb7 ?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
[fen]8/2P5/3K4/8/8/8/1kP5/q7 b - - 0 7[/fen]
And black to move...

You say this is an elementary draw?
Then what about 7. ... Qa8 8. Kd7 Qb7 ?

9. K-d8 Q-d5+
10. K-c8 K-c3
11. K-b8

And what should black do then?

Ah now I see. White shouldn't have a pawn on c2 ..

Originally posted by Thomaster
9. K-d8 Q-d5+
10. K-c8 K-c3
11. K-b8

And what should black do then?

Each time wK is on c8 it has to move from there. During this move bK moves upward. After a while Black can force white to leave the guard on the c-pawn, and it is gone.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I certainly want the black pieces rather then the white ones.

http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/endgame-database.html

Here you can see why it is draw.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Each time wK is on c8 it has to move from there. During this move bK moves upward. After a while Black can force white to leave the guard on the c-pawn, and it is gone.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I certainly want the black pieces rather then the white ones.

Thanks for the shredder link. Looking at that, to draw, the white king must never go in front of his pawn, even if that means moving one square away from it. The black queen then cannot gain any time for the black king to approach the action.

Originally posted by Thomaster
http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/endgame-database.html

Here you can see why it is draw.

Cannot argument against Shredder. Thank you for the lesson.

Sorry for no reply in 2 days. With the tablebase you found the solution too.
Well the main problem was, as you found it, the white pawn on c2, which eliminates stalemate chances and allow black to activate his king over a3 etc.
However if White moves his c2-pawn up to c5, then Black either has to take it (=draw), or can never follow the standard pattern, which is queen check from b6 or d6 in order to get the king in front of the pawn and by that win a move for his own king.
therefore draw. 🙂

Originally posted by crazyblue
This position is actually from a real game. I will tell the names of both players, when it is solved.
It's whites turn, but he realized the Black king is too powerful. So he resigned. However he can get draw on a very thin path. The use of a standard procedure which has to be adjusted to the requirements of position, makes this one of my favorite puzzles. 🙂

[fen]8/8/8/p1p5/2P2K2/8/PkP5/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

this is like the easiest puzzle in the world why not f6?