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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. 02 Dec '06 13:32
    These ones should work. Don't go on about how they're illegal.
    1) Black to play -+
  2. 02 Dec '06 13:40
    Another one. Hope this one is correct.
    2) Black to play -+
  3. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    02 Dec '06 18:32
    Originally posted by Alethia
    These ones should work. Don't go on about how they're illegal.
    If the position is not legal, then it is not chess, and not worth people's time to solve. The burden is yours as the composer to make sure the position is legal. What you (and Black Queen) need to do is stop putting so many unneeded pieces on the board. That's why you get into trouble.
  4. 02 Dec '06 21:16
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    If the position is not legal, then it is not chess, and not worth people's time to solve. The burden is yours as the composer to make sure the position is legal. What you (and Black Queen) need to do is stop putting so many unneeded pieces on the board. That's why you get into trouble.
    Yes but if people can't be bothered to solve puzzles unless they're legal, then that's (in my opinion) lazy. I only put puzzles on here because various people do try and solve them and thank me for them. I don't do it because it is fun; I have got better things to do with my time.
  5. 02 Dec '06 21:27
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    If the position is not legal, then it is not chess, and not worth people's time to solve. The burden is yours as the composer to make sure the position is legal. What you (and Black Queen) need to do is stop putting so many unneeded pieces on the board. That's why you get into trouble.
    Well, I don't agree to this. Developing chess skills isn't the only purpose of chess puzzles. It also develops your logical thinking, your ability to calculate ahead. I like solving puzzles no matter legal or not. With less pieces, the puzzles are easier. The only good thing that I can think of about puzzles without a lot of pieces is that they give you more aesthetic pleasure. 'Window dressing' is a good way of hiding the basic idea or mating pattern of the puzzle. You don't know which pieces are involved and which are not. You have to check more variations, therefore take more time, patience and do more calculating which is very necessary to develop your tactics. Of course, this is just my opinion.
  6. 02 Dec '06 21:28
    Well, I think that- who cares if it's legal??? It's only supposed to be a bit of fun for us lower life forms, Big Dogg.
  7. 02 Dec '06 21:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Alethia
    These ones should work. Don't go on about how they're illegal.
    1) Black to play -+
    [fen]5rk1/1b2ppbp/n2p1np1/p1p5/rP3Pq1/3pPNB1/PQ4PP/K2R1N1R b[/fen]
    1.Ne4. A spare queen is a decisive advantage.

    EDIToops, don't take this seriously, just saw Ne5.
  8. 02 Dec '06 21:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kbaumen
    1.Ne4. A spare queen is a decisive advantage.

    EDIToops, don't take this seriously, just saw Ne5.
    Yeah.. here's the whole answer...
    1. Ne4
    2. Ne5 Qxd1+
    3. Qb1 Qxb1+
    4. Kxb1 dxe5
    and Black is a Rook and Knight ahead.
  9. 02 Dec '06 21:35
    Originally posted by Alethia
    Well, I think that- who cares if it's legal??? It's only supposed to be a bit of fun for us lower life forms, Big Dogg.
    No problems with 'illegal' positions, as far as it is made clear which laws of chess have been taken away, altered or added. But without this clarification, it is mandatory that the chess rules are applied. Otherwise, a whole range of problems lose their meaning, like the for isntance themate in two that was posted today.
  10. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    02 Dec '06 22:25 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Alethia
    Yes but if people can't be bothered to solve puzzles unless they're legal, then that's (in my opinion) lazy. I only put puzzles on here because various people do try and solve them and thank me for them. I don't do it because it is fun; I have got better things to do with my time.

    Originally posted by Alethia
    Well, I think that- who cares if it's legal??? It's only supposed to be a bit of fun for us lower life forms, Big Dogg.
    Trust me, the retro analysis takes far longer to do than finding your pathetically easy intended solutions. You're the one being lazy. You love dropping a bunch of needless pieces on boards, and you don't bother checking to see if the resulting position is even likely to be legal. That's just sloppy composition.

    If you don't care whether the position is legal, then why should you care if the play is legal? Why not just let the side to move play King takes King? I mean, only lazy people whine about the rules, right?
  11. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    02 Dec '06 22:29
    Originally posted by Alethia
    These ones should work. Don't go on about how they're illegal.
    1) Black to play -+
    [fen]5rk1/1b2ppbp/n2p1np1/p1p5/rP3Pq1/3pPNB1/PQ4PP/K2R1N1R b[/fen]
    Black is a piece up. He is already winning. Therefore, any non-blunder solves the problem.
  12. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    02 Dec '06 22:31
    Originally posted by Alethia
    Another one. Hope this one is correct.
    2) Black to play -+
    [fen]r3r1k1/2q2pp1/Pp1b1n2/1Ppp4/3nPB2/R1N5/B1PQpRKP/8 b[/fen]
    1...e1Q or 1...Bxf4 should both work fine.
  13. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    02 Dec '06 22:39
    Originally posted by kbaumen
    Well, I don't agree to this. Developing chess skills isn't the only purpose of chess puzzles. It also develops your logical thinking, your ability to calculate ahead. I like solving puzzles no matter legal or not. With less pieces, the puzzles are easier. The only good thing that I can think of about puzzles without a lot of pieces is that they give you more ...[text shortened]... lating which is very necessary to develop your tactics. Of course, this is just my opinion.
    If you're going to call something a chess problem, it needs to follow chess rules, not because it will or will not help your chess skill, but because, without the rules, it is not a chess problem at all. It is some strange variant game masquerading as chess.

    Chess variants have become popular, of course, but the composer always tells the solver up-front which rules are to be changed.

    You are completely wrong that positions with less pieces are always easier. If that is true, why do people solve Black Queen/Alethia's problems in seconds, whereas the Benko problem I posted, a mate in 3 with very few pieces, remains unsolved?
  14. 02 Dec '06 22:51
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    If you're going to call something a [b]chess problem, it needs to follow chess rules, not because it will or will not help your chess skill, but because, without the rules, it is not a chess problem at all. It is some strange variant game masquerading as chess.

    Chess variants have become popular, of course, but the composer always tells the sol ...[text shortened]... conds, whereas the Benko problem I posted, a mate in 3 with very few pieces, remains unsolved?[/b]
    Well, perhaps I was wrong...
  15. Standard member preachingforjesus
    Iron Pillar
    02 Dec '06 22:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    If you're going to call something a [b]chess problem, it needs to follow chess rules, not because it will or will not help your chess skill, but because, without the rules, it is not a chess problem at all. It is some strange variant game masquerading as chess.

    Chess variants have become popular, of course, but the composer always tells the sol conds, whereas the Benko problem I posted, a mate in 3 with very few pieces, remains unsolved?[/b]
    Speaking of strange variants:

    Have you all looked at ''chess on the round'', "circular chess", "infinite chess", or "omega chess"

    Edit: my only problem with theese puzzles is that they are so easy.