1. Zugzwang
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    21 Feb '14 03:29
    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/dec/03/pisa-results-country-best-reading-maths-science

    "...Which country (in 2012) does best at reading, maths, and science?"

    1) Shanghai, China
    2) Singapore
    3) Hong Kong, China
    4) Taiwan
    5) Republic of Korea (South)
    6) Macau, China
    7) Japan
    8) Liechenstein
    9) Switzerland
  2. Cape Town
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    21 Feb '14 09:06
    Which reporter does worst at Geography?
    Which country ....

    Shanghai
    Hong Kong
    Macau
  3. Zugzwang
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    21 Feb '14 19:542 edits
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Which reporter does worst at Geography?
    Which country ....

    Shanghai
    Hong Kong
    Macau
    I have no doubt that the journalist (who's the target of Twhitehead's
    sneering) already knew that Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Macau are not
    sovereign countries. Hong Kong and Macau do have educational systems
    independent of the People's Republic of China's. The reason why Shanghai,
    hong Kong, and Macau were mentioned as *distinct entities* (though not
    'countries' ) in this report was that the People's Republic of China did *not*
    have comprehensive test results (for 2012) available for all of its students.

    While I suspect that Shanghai's students perform better than the average
    students in China, I would point out that Shanghai has a diverse population
    of about 24 million people, which is larger than most countries' populations.
    Shanghai's population is several times larger than Singapore's, a city-state
    that's counted as a sovereign country, so Shanghai does not have a small
    sample size. Would anyone like to compare Shanghai's test results with
    those of London or New York City (which have much smaller populations)?
  4. Standard memberRJHinds
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    21 Feb '14 23:32
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Which reporter does worst at Geography?
    Which country ....

    Shanghai
    Hong Kong
    Macau
    Those Chinese are kickin' ass.
  5. Zugzwang
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    22 Feb '14 00:06
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Those Chinese are kickin' ass.
    In addition to Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Macau, Singapore and Taiwan
    (aka Republic of China) have overwhelming ethnic Chinese majorities.

    The top Western country is Liechtenstein, a principality with fewer than
    40,000 people. Shanghai's population is about 600 times larger.
  6. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    22 Feb '14 19:23
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/dec/03/pisa-results-country-best-reading-maths-science

    "...Which country (in 2012) does best at reading, maths, and science?"

    1) Shanghai, China
    2) Singapore
    3) Hong Kong, China
    4) Taiwan
    5) Republic of Korea (South)
    6) Macau, China
    7) Japan
    8) Liechenstein
    9) Switzerland
    These PISA results are increasingly coming under scrutiny.
    It seems they are just used by politicians now.
  7. Cape Town
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    23 Feb '14 08:48
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I have no doubt that the journalist (who's the target of Twhitehead's
    sneering) already knew that Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Macau are not
    sovereign countries.
    Yes, I am sure he did. In parts of the article it says 'economies' or 'countries and economies'. Nevertheless, the headline is misleading, and several times in the article it says 'countries' - which is wrong.
  8. Zugzwang
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    25 Feb '14 02:47
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    These PISA results are increasingly coming under scrutiny.
    It seems they are just used by politicians now.
    There's much criticism within China about its educational system.
    Most Chinese seem far from being very impressed by Shanghai's high PISA
    results. Looking back upon my conversations with Chinese students about
    China's educational system, I can recall no one who completely admired it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/22/china-education-exams-parents-rebel

    Ethnic Chinese students have a common international reputation, based
    upon their results in many diverse educational systems, for exceptional
    academic performances. Evidently, no matter how good or bad an
    educational system may be, if there are enough highly motivated students
    (which ethnic Chinese students usually are), some exceptional performers
    will emerge. So I would prefer to give the credit more to the common high
    quality of Chinese students than the reputed high quality of Chinese schools.
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