origins of life on Earth

@mike69 said
It was a joke and did you see the end where he says he feels like God😉. What do you have but a lot of what if’s and could be, just unproven bs.

I never presented those posts saying this is the answer, life started just like this.
My guess is there will be work done inconclusively 100 years from now.

However the way space propulsion is developing, like the solar mirror idea where there is a new twist, adding a layer that gets slowly evaporated off adding the thrust and direct fusion drives might mean 100 years from now.

Assuming we don't off ourselves in a nuclear war or some such, we may have probes around the ice moons like Europa where they think there is an extremely deep liquid water ocean under the layer of ice and maybe finding life there. And OF COURSE this is just speculation, just saying as we get deeper into the solar system we may find actual life, microbes even.

And the big question there, after finding such life, is it DNA based like ours where say you find life on such a place as Europa where the actual life forms are buried under miles of ice meaning no asteroid blast would have done the job of introducing life there.

From say another asteroid blast hitting Mars or Earth or Venus indicating that life formed totally independently from Earth life or Mars life if we find it there.

Of course even then finding life out there somewhere doesn't prove life origins but it would widen the possibilities of where to search for life, like some conjectures say life started by a passing nebula cloud seeding our entire solar system with the right stuff to allow life to start by being in an area of space where there is liquid water and energy from a star like the sun, saying life can be anywhere in the universe where half way decent conditions are available like our early Earth and maybe early Mars.

Of course all speculation, just saying what might happen. A lot of ifs ands and such, and I am not married to any one idea.

I think it would be a blast if we found life say on Europa where the information storage system based not on Earth DNA but something entirely different maybe a kind of DNA that doesn't look like the twisted spiral of our DNA but maybe a four sided affair, whatever.

But totally incompatible to earth DNA which would indicate every place where life could start could have its own version of information storage which would say volumes about life elsewhere where say a thousand years from now, we have spacecraft capable of going to stars a thousand light years away we might stumble on life and not even realize it IS life.

And of course still speculation. Just laying out scenes that may play out. Or not, we might find SO sorry earthmen, there is ONLY life on Earth in the solar system....

@sonhouse said
I never presented those posts saying this is the answer, life started just like this.
My guess is there will be work done inconclusively 100 years from now.

However the way space propulsion is developing, like the solar mirror idea where there is a new twist, adding a layer that gets slowly evaporated off adding the thrust and direct fusion drives might mean 100 years fr ...[text shortened]... ay out. Or not, we might find SO sorry earthmen, there is ONLY life on Earth in the solar system....

If there was life in early stages somewhere else that led to here how was it created and on. This is so complex that I feel a creator had to be involved, along with the number of different species involved.

@mike69 said
If there was life in early stages somewhere else that led to here how was it created and on. This is so complex that I feel a creator had to be involved, along with the number of different species involved.

Sure, that is just one of many speculations. your theory will remain speculation just as any other till some research in the future whether 100 years from now or 1000 years from now figures it out to the extent where they can take a pile of wet mud and zap it with whatever and a microbe pops out, THEN we can say at least this is ONE way life can start.
But proving that one way doesn't mean there are other ways we have no inkling of. And maybe some god or other is involved, but till said god cones down to Earth or wherever Earth people live a thousand years from now, it goes , OK FOLKS your speculations are over, here is how it happened and BTW the ONLY way it happened and the story unfolds.

It could happen that way but don't give up your day job hoping for such an eventuality🙂

@sonhouse said
Sure, that is just one of many speculations. your theory will remain speculation just as any other till some research in the future whether 100 years from now or 1000 years from now figures it out to the extent where they can take a pile of wet mud and zap it with whatever and a microbe pops out, THEN we can say at least this is ONE way life can start.
But proving that one ...[text shortened]... nfolds.

It could happen that way but don't give up your day job hoping for such an eventuality🙂

So with all the complex life we see around us you don’t think any of it had intelligent design. Say you figure out the mud zapper material, where did the mud and zapper ingredients come from. The universe, everything above, below, and around us outward. Figuring out one answer just leads to many others. Something never comes from nothing down to the first speck of dust.

@mike69 said
So with all the complex life we see around us you don’t think any of it had intelligent design. Say you figure out the mud zapper material, where did the mud and zapper ingredients come from. The universe, everything above, below, and around us outward. Figuring out one answer just leads to many others. Something never comes from nothing down to the first speck of dust.

I never said that a god could be involved.

I just said until such god or gods show up and tell us how it is in reality, it will remain totally unprovable like Popper said, such concepts are totally unprovable because it is WAY beyond our science no matter HOW evolved for humans to prove a god did it so will remain a theological argument and NEVER to be seen in the realm of science.

If a god never appears do YOU have any suggestions how a scientific research program could show yea or nay the influence of a god to life here or anywhere else in the universe?

@sonhouse said
I never said that a god could be involved.

I just said until such god or gods show up and tell us how it is in reality, it will remain totally unprovable like Popper said, such concepts are totally unprovable because it is WAY beyond our science no matter HOW evolved for humans to prove a god did it so will remain a theological argument and NEVER to be seen in the realm ...[text shortened]... program could show yea or nay the influence of a god to life here or anywhere else in the universe?

You didn’t answer, and the point I also made was that even if science found out how to use all of the ingredients to form life it wouldn’t prove anything as you would also have to know how to also create everything else down to its most basic form.

@mike69 said
You didn’t answer, and the point I also made was that even if science found out how to use all of the ingredients to form life it wouldn’t prove anything as you would also have to know how to also create everything else down to its most basic form.

Of course, I addressed that issue months ago, with a conversation with Kelly, a dyed in the wool Christian.

I pointed out to him how even if we see a path that provably makes life I said you are still in the clear theologically speaking because we only know about OUR life forms here on Earth where there could be a near infinite variety nothing like our DNA based life so even that future work if proven would still not prove Goddidit was like impossible and I told him there would be no attack on his faith in that regard.

And BTW he jumped on that like a dog on a bone. Something like SEE I TOLD you you would come around to my view.
I went over that with Kelly.

@sonhouse said
Of course, I addressed that issue months ago, with a conversation with Kelly, a dyed in the wool Christian.

I pointed out to him how even if we see a path that provably makes life I said you are still in the clear theologically speaking because we only know about OUR life forms here on Earth where there could be a near infinite variety nothing like our DNA based life so ...[text shortened]... one. Something like SEE I TOLD you you would come around to my view.
I went over that with Kelly.

And I’m saying you have to look at everything and know how to create everything from life and needed to create that life to fully understand and know how to create. Can we create oxygen not knowing how to creat the seeds for plants, trees and on and can they survive without us and other life? Everything we have on and around earth is to support that life and everything working in perfect harmony. Take one thing out of the equation and there is no life here. If you can’t see signs of intelligent design your simply being stubborn and the blind atheist you are.

@mike69 said
And I’m saying you have to look at everything and know how to create everything from life and needed to create that life to fully understand and know how to create. Can we create oxygen not knowing how to creat the seeds for plants, trees and on and can they survive without us and other life? Everything we have on and around earth is to support that life and everything worki ...[text shortened]... you can’t see signs of intelligent design your simply being stubborn and the blind atheist you are.

I never said I didn't see any possibility for 'intelligent' design. I am saying if there is a god who did that work it is not communicating that to us, and assuming there IS such a god, I would think we here on Earth would be only one of a menagerie of probably billions or more life forms on planets or asteroids or comets whatever, floating around this galaxy alone.

And there are hundreds of billions of galaxies so why would such a god first off put life just here on this one planet? Seems highly improbable out of all the planets in the universe we would be so fortunate to be THE one with life. In that case I would imagine a god putting in the effort to make life here would have more of a hands on approach and make some effort to communicate with all humans and intelligent life like Dolphins and such.

Having a whole universe to make its personal garden then our planet would be just one of trillions and not be so high up the totem pole of notice to such a god as to let us develop on our own which is exactly how it is going now.

Otherwise said god looking at the only planet it made life on seems to me would be VERY pissed at the idea we could at any time destroy most life on Earth in one display of nuclear madness.

I would think such a god after an investment in making life on Earth would not want humans have the capability to destroy most of the life which has taken billions of years to evolve be gone in one flash of nuclear war.

And of course the religious crowd replies oh ye of little faith yada yada yada.

Found this about exoplanets:

https://phys.org/news/2025-07-scores-exoplanets-larger.html

The gist of that is the planets we have found may be a lot larger than we thought with implications for planet hunting and finding bio signatures on those planets thanks to James Webb scope.